Fashion Fun

[BDevil15]

Thanks guys. That is what I assumed after re reading the rules and the changes. Unfortunately I was combining a two year old rulebook and a rules change notice and incorrectly assumed that "Sleeves" included the sleeves of an undershirt. I knew the third night was totally wrong but what can you do?

As always I appreciate what you all do. Even though it doesn't seem like it most of the time we appreciate what you all do.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BDevil15

Thanks guys. That is what I assumed after re reading the rules and the changes. Unfortunately I was combining a two year old rulebook and a rules change notice and incorrectly assumed that "Sleeves" included the sleeves of an undershirt. I knew the third night was totally wrong but what can you do?

As always I appreciate what you all do. Even though it doesn't seem like it most of the time we appreciate what you all do.

Thanx for your patience and understanding with officials who should really know better. I used to be one of you so I know your frustration.
As hard as we try here, there's always "those" officials who, in spite of all the classes we run and email updates we send and POE's we bring to their attention and rules changes we familiarize them with, somehow just "don't get the memo". And it's truly frustrating from this end, too.
Your approach and seeming acceptance of this sad reality as you've personally encountered it is laudable.
Thanx for that!
And now, if you can, please spread the correct understanding you have of the proper application of the "Fashion Fun" rule around to all the fellow coaches you can. That will go a long way to this no longer being any sort of issue. Which is what we're aiming for, too.
Thanx again, Coach!

[Dad]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Thanx for your patience and understanding with officials who should really know better. I used to be one of you so I know your frustration.
As hard as we try here, there's always "those" officials who, in spite of all the classes we run and email updates we send and POE's we bring to their attention and rules changes we familiarize them with, somehow just "don't get the memo". And it's truly frustrating from this end, too.
Your approach and seeming acceptance of this sad reality as you've personally encountered it is laudable.
Thanx for that!
And now, if you can, please spread the correct understanding you have of the proper application of the "Fashion Fun" rule around to all the fellow coaches you can. That will go a long way to this no longer being any sort of issue. Which is what we're aiming for, too.
Thanx again, Coach!

If I changed a few things in this post I can make it sound like there was a genocide.

Oh no, an official forgot a rule that had zero impact on the game. Oh, what a foul world we live in. Oh, woe is us, having to deal with such horrible officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

... a rule that had zero impact on the game.

If indeed, the rule has zero impact on the game, and one has a choice of doing it the right way, or the wrong way, why not chose the right way? One is just as easy as the other. But only one way it right.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

If indeed, the rule has zero impact on the game, and one has a choice of doing it the right way, or the wrong way, why not chose the right way? One is just as easy as the other. But only one way it right.

I agree with everything you just said. Why are you out go get me, lol.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Dad

I agree with everything you just said. Why are you out go get me ...

You're fairly new around here, and I'm having trouble understanding some of your posts. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Dad

Oh no, an official forgot a rule that had zero impact on the game. Oh, what a foul world we live in. Oh, woe is us, having to deal with such horrible officials.

[Dad]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You're fairly new around here, and I'm having trouble understanding some of your posts. Sorry.

Gotcha, yeah, I was trying to be as sarcastic as possible. I just don't think it's that big of a deal if an officials only fault is forgetting about an undershirt not being the correct color. I enforce the rules and expect other officials to do the same, but if an assigner assigns someone who won't enforce it then it's out of my hands. If I'm on the game it'll get fixed. If I'm not on the game; I'm not going to let an undershirt ruin my enjoyment of the game.

[Freddy]

"Impact on the Game" rules . . . so-called "No Impact on the Game" rules.
Good officials can know and reasonably apply both.
Lesser officials, alas, are able to choose only one of the two. If that.

[BillyMac]

Than you for caring coach, and for, at least, making an attempt to instruct your players properly. If all my local coaches would take the few minutes that you took to instruct their players, we wouldn't have as many of the fashion problems that we have.

Here are the rules in a nutshell:

Headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, and tights, shall be the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey, and the same color for each item, and all participants. Anything worn on the arm, and/or the leg (except a knee brace), is defined as a sleeve. Only a single item may be worn on the head (with no extensions), and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow. Rubber, cloth, or elastic bands, of any color, may be used to control hair. Undershirts must be similar in color to the uniform jersey, and shall not have frayed, or ragged edges.

(Note: I would rather not discuss compression shorts. The NFHS has really muddied the water on that piece of equipment.)

In a perfect world, the following would occur immediately after the head coach passes out the uniforms:

Setting: A high school locker room. Socks, and towels, are strewn around on the floor. There's a slight smell of perspiration in the air.

Coach: Our home uniform jerseys are white. If you want to wear an undershirt at home, it must be a white undershirt. As the coach I'm telling you now, that if you want to wear headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, or tights, I have unilaterally decided that they must be solid black. No other color choices. Period. Also, headbands can't have extensions, I don't want my players looking like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Capiche?

Players: Yes Coach.

Coach: Our road uniform jerseys are blue. If you want to wear an undershirt on the road, it must be a blue undershirt. As the coach I'm telling you now, that if you want to wear headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, or tights, I have unilaterally decided that they must be solid black. No other color choices. Period. Also, headbands can't have extensions. Capiche?

Players: Yes Coach.

And ... Scene.

[Refhoop]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Than you for caring coach, and for, at least, making an attempt to instruct your players properly. If all my local coaches would take the few minutes that you took to instruct their players, we wouldn't have as many of the fashion problems that we have.

Here are the rules in a nutshell:

Headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, and tights, shall be the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the jersey, and the same color for each item, and all participants. Anything worn on the arm, and/or the leg (except a knee brace), is defined as a sleeve. Only a single item may be worn on the head (with no extensions), and/or on each wrist. Sweatbands must be worn below the elbow. Rubber, cloth, or elastic bands, of any color, may be used to control hair. Undershirts must be similar in color to the uniform jersey, and shall not have frayed, or ragged edges.

(Note: I would rather not discuss compression shorts. The NFHS has really muddied the water on that piece of equipment.)

In a perfect world, the following would occur immediately after the head coach passes out the uniforms:

Setting: A high school locker room. Socks, and towels, are strewn around on the floor. There's a slight smell of perspiration in the air.

Coach: Our home uniform jerseys are white. If you want to wear an undershirt at home, it must be a white undershirt. As the coach I'm telling you now, that if you want to wear headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, or tights, I have unilaterally decided that they must be solid black. No other color choices. Period. Also, headbands can't have extensions, I don't want my players looking like the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Capiche?

Players: Yes Coach.

Coach: Our road uniform jerseys are blue. If you want to wear an undershirt on the road, it must be a blue undershirt. As the coach I'm telling you now, that if you want to wear headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, or tights, I have unilaterally decided that they must be solid black. No other color choices. Period. Also, headbands can't have extensions. Capiche?

Players: Yes Coach.

And ... Scene.

And the church said: AMEN

[Rob1968]

Last night, I was U1, and during warm-ups, 2 players had black headbands, and one had white. I told the R that I would talk to them. When I talked to the girl with the white headband, she said she would talk to her teammates.
She came back, and said that one of the girls would take off her black headband, and the other would find a white headband - the girl I talked to was a team captain, and a senior.
Momentarily, I saw a girl helping tie a white headband, with 7 to 8 inch tails, for the girl who had removed the black headband. When I told them that the tails were not allowed, they asked whether they could just tuck them in. I explained that that wouldn't work, and they complied.
Then, they asked me why, and I told them that the HS Assn wants the emphasis to be on the team and not on a player for their unique way of dressing. And I said that, as officials, we are evaluated, and that I needed their help so an evaluator wouldn't eat me alive for not following the rules. They seemed quite willing to help me with that aspect.

It's girls' b-ball. And the fashion rules' responses all soooo predictable. . .

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BDevil15

Thanks guys. That is what I assumed after re reading the rules and the changes. Unfortunately I was combining a two year old rulebook and a rules change notice and incorrectly assumed that "Sleeves" included the sleeves of an undershirt. I knew the third night was totally wrong but what can you do?

As always I appreciate what you all do. Even though it doesn't seem like it most of the time we appreciate what you all do.

Officials for game 1 were correct.

I only have one question for you, coach. Are you in the Sacramento area?

[BDevil15]

Just South but same section. Was the Modesto City Tournament.