Illegal pitch? Ball awarded?

[asdf]

again... what do you say to the one coach that confronts you with the rule?

[charliej47]

I've had to call a "delay of game" on a pitcher maybe 5 times in the last 10 years and have yet to have a coach question what I called but why I called it.

I've explained the call and when they say "I've never heard of that", I say today, it gets called.

[charliej47]

I have had some assignors tell me that they can not assign me to certain schools as the coaches have complained about me enforcing unknown rules.

I always answer that there are more games then there are days, so assign me somewhere else.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by asdf

again... what do you say to the one coach that confronts you with the rule?

None of them do.

[Manny A]

No idea why this is considered an infraction in FED, and absolutely nothing in pro ball. I've seen pro pitchers start and abort pitches with nobody on base every now and then, and it is simply ignored. I believe the same is true in NCAA ball.

Perhaps that's why FED coaches expect umpires not to make the Ball call. Frankly, it's dumb to do so. Just another one of those FED rules like the immediate dead ball on a balk, the gorilla arm balk, and the two strikes on one pitch that makes me shake my head.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by asdf

So when you encounter one that does, do you tell him that you don't call it?

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

None of them do.

Nice dodge....

You have two choices when confronted...

1) Tell the coach you are ignorant of the rule
2) Tell the coach you are ignoring the rule

Both are good qualities for an umpire.....

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by asdf

Nice dodge....

You have two choices when confronted...

1) Tell the coach you are ignorant of the rule
2) Tell the coach you are ignoring the rule

Both are good qualities for an umpire.....

Here's one for you: Championship game, bottom of the last, HT down one, bases loaded, two out. 90mph fastball gets away and tails in at the batter's head. He spins out of the box trying to save his life, and you are 100% certain one foot is on the ground entirely out of the box when the ball hits his bat. What mechanic are you using to end the game on an illegally batted ball?

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Here's one for you: Championship game, bottom of the last, HT down one, bases loaded, two out. 90mph fastball gets away and tails in at the batter's head. He spins out of the box trying to save his life, and you are 100% certain one foot is on the ground entirely out of the box when the ball hits his bat. What mechanic are you using to end the game on an illegally batted ball?

And, miraculously, the ball goes into fair territory and amounts to a perfect bunt. Everybody is safe. The tying run scores. Now what? Now who has been disadvantaged?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

And, miraculously, the ball goes into fair territory and amounts to a perfect bunt. Everybody is safe. The tying run scores. Now what? Now who has been disadvantaged?

So your call is not based on the rule, but by who is disadvantaged?

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

So your call is not based on the rule, but by who is disadvantaged?

In your hypothetical situation, implicit was that you would NOT call this batter out. Am I mistaken?

You seem to suggest that the batter has, somehow, been unfairly deprived of the opportunity to tie the game. You said that the ball hit his bat but you didn't say where the ball went. If you ignore the fact that his foot was completely outside the batter's box and the ball goes fair and the tying run scores - then what?

What's the mechanic for that? It's your question!

Now this thread is off on a tangent of situational ethics. I didn't intend that. Mostly, I was just wondering if there was a regional propensity to not invoke a certain rule. Another rule in our area that is not enforced very strictly is the requirement for the batter to keep one foot in the batter's box. The only time it is invoked is if, by not having his foot in the batter's box, the game is delayed. And, it is usually preceded by a warning.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Here's one for you: Championship game, bottom of the last, HT down one, bases loaded, two out. 90mph fastball gets away and tails in at the batter's head. He spins out of the box trying to save his life, and you are 100% certain one foot is on the ground entirely out of the box when the ball hits his bat. What mechanic are you using to end the game on an illegally batted ball?

Sorry, not interested in playing your little game of re-hashing scenario in a 3-4 year old thread, in lieu of answering a question related to the topic at hand.

Besides being apples/oranges, it will do nothing but become an argument about PBUC and how possible/impossible it is to track a 90mph pitch at a players head while seeing whether or not a foot was on the ground completely out of the box during contact with the bat.

Feel free, however to pursue this, I'm sure you will have takers.