Illegal pitch? Ball awarded?

[Mrumpiresir]

Originally Posted by CT1

If all the participants are willing to accept a "do-over" as the correct result, who am I to say differently?

You are the umpire charged with enforcing the rules.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CT1

If all the participants are willing to accept a "do-over" as the correct result, who am I to say differently?

If all the prison inmates are willing to accept "let us all out" as the correct result, who is the warden to say otherwise?

[charliej47]

Originally Posted by CT1

If all the participants are willing to accept a "do-over" as the correct result, who am I to say differently?

There is a definition in the FED rules that cover my stated "do-overs". The Ohio State Rules interpreter covered them some years ago and I questioned Kyle about these incidents at the state required meeting and he outlined them very well. He discussed the dust and insects and also falling because of poor ground conditions.

[jicecone]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

If all the prison inmates are willing to accept "let us all out" as the correct result, who is the warden to say otherwise?

What the heck in that case, we don't need no stinking umpires.

Just "Let them play"

More money for hot dogs, ice cream and beer after the game.

[zm1283]

I've never seen this called in this area in a high school game and I wouldn't call it, and no coaches expect it to be called. I don't pick boogers on this one.

[asdf]

again... what do you say to the one coach that confronts you with the rule?

[charliej47]

I've had to call a "delay of game" on a pitcher maybe 5 times in the last 10 years and have yet to have a coach question what I called but why I called it.

I've explained the call and when they say "I've never heard of that", I say today, it gets called.

[charliej47]

I have had some assignors tell me that they can not assign me to certain schools as the coaches have complained about me enforcing unknown rules.

I always answer that there are more games then there are days, so assign me somewhere else.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by asdf

again... what do you say to the one coach that confronts you with the rule?

None of them do.

[Manny A]

No idea why this is considered an infraction in FED, and absolutely nothing in pro ball. I've seen pro pitchers start and abort pitches with nobody on base every now and then, and it is simply ignored. I believe the same is true in NCAA ball.

Perhaps that's why FED coaches expect umpires not to make the Ball call. Frankly, it's dumb to do so. Just another one of those FED rules like the immediate dead ball on a balk, the gorilla arm balk, and the two strikes on one pitch that makes me shake my head.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by asdf

So when you encounter one that does, do you tell him that you don't call it?

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

None of them do.

Nice dodge....

You have two choices when confronted...

1) Tell the coach you are ignorant of the rule
2) Tell the coach you are ignoring the rule

Both are good qualities for an umpire.....

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by asdf

Nice dodge....

You have two choices when confronted...

1) Tell the coach you are ignorant of the rule
2) Tell the coach you are ignoring the rule

Both are good qualities for an umpire.....

Here's one for you: Championship game, bottom of the last, HT down one, bases loaded, two out. 90mph fastball gets away and tails in at the batter's head. He spins out of the box trying to save his life, and you are 100% certain one foot is on the ground entirely out of the box when the ball hits his bat. What mechanic are you using to end the game on an illegally batted ball?

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

wow. I've seen it once in the past 20 years. I did call it. Both sides murmured that it was the right call.

Seriously - you've only seen a pitcher begin his delivery and not complete it (with no runners on base) only once in the past 20 years?

[David Emerling]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Here's one for you: Championship game, bottom of the last, HT down one, bases loaded, two out. 90mph fastball gets away and tails in at the batter's head. He spins out of the box trying to save his life, and you are 100% certain one foot is on the ground entirely out of the box when the ball hits his bat. What mechanic are you using to end the game on an illegally batted ball?

And, miraculously, the ball goes into fair territory and amounts to a perfect bunt. Everybody is safe. The tying run scores. Now what? Now who has been disadvantaged?

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by David Emerling

And, miraculously, the ball goes into fair territory and amounts to a perfect bunt. Everybody is safe. The tying run scores. Now what? Now who has been disadvantaged?

So your call is not based on the rule, but by who is disadvantaged?