Batter Runner proceeds to second with R1 on first.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

It would be interesting to see how the offense would react if the defense let the ball drop. I assume the BR who had passed R1 would be out anyway, this time for passing. But it might confuse a lesser experienced R1 into running and maybe getting picked off.

VoiceOfLG:

Your situation is the ideal example of why it is idiotic for a HC to require "Charlie Hustle" actions by his players.

It has been my experience that on deep fly balls to the outfield, B/R almost always touches 1B before the ball is caught. Therefore, in the Original Play (OP), if B2 has passed R1 before F8 caught the Fly Ball he would already had been out.

That said, whether B2 is out before or after he passes R1, NFHS Casebook Play 8.3.3 Situation I allows B2 to act in a manner that could induce the defense to make a play on a Retired Runner. The B/R knows he is out and he should get off the field in the most direct manner that will not interfere with anyother defensive play being made.

MTD, Sr.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

VoiceOfLG:

Your situation is the ideal example of why it is idiotic for a HC to require "Charlie Hustle" actions by his players.

It has been my experience that on deep fly balls to the outfield, B/R almost always touches 1B before the ball is caught. Therefore, in the Original Play (OP), if B2 has passed R1 before F8 caught the Fly Ball he would already had been out.

That said, whether B2 is out before or after he passes R1, NFHS Casebook Play 8.3.3 Situation I allows B2 to act in a manner that could induce the defense to make a play on a Retired Runner. The B/R knows he is out and he should get off the field in the most direct manner that will not interfere with anyother defensive play being made.

MTD, Sr.

This is more along the lines I was referring to in the first place, but then all the rocket surgeons/brain scientists started nit picking. I sort of read the OP to mean the batter was digging hard to 2B as if he was R1 trying to tag up, and go to 2B. From there the thread started steadily snowballing downhill.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

This is more along the lines I was referring to in the first place, but then all the rocket surgeons/brain scientists started nit picking. I sort of read the OP to mean the batter was digging hard to 2B as if he was R1 trying to tag up, and go to 2B. From there the thread started steadily snowballing downhill.

Actually, as in reality, all the real umpires started correcting you, and you get all sorts of pissed off when that happens, as we know. You are the one who posted a link to a lice ridding website. Real classy. Aside from your childish posts, this thread is doing quite nicely.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Actually, as in reality, all the real anally retentive umpires started correcting you, and you get all sorts of pissed off when that happens, as we know. You are the one who posted a link to a lice ridding website. Real classy. Aside from your childish posts, this thread is doing quite nicely.

Fixed that fer ya'.

[lawump]

Professional mechanics:

No signal and no verbal (a/k/a "spoken") statement given when the catch is a "can of corn". [It only takes giving a catch signal and saying "catch" once on a can-of-corn on the professional level to hear some player/coach/manager say "no ****" (or something similar) to you.]

It is okay to say, "Jim, got a catch". [Where "Jim" is your partner.]

Both umpires should be watching the ball. However, the umpire(s) who have responsibility for any runner(s) should glance at the runners. "Watch the ball, glance at the runner(s)!" I teach several clinics a year with a former instructor at one of the umpire schools and he has told me that that phrase is repeated every day for six weeks at school.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by lawump

Professional mechanics:

No signal and no verbal (a/k/a "spoken") statement given when the catch is a "can of corn". [It only takes giving a catch signal and saying "catch" once on a can-of-corn on the professional level to hear some player/coach/manager say "no ****" (or something similar) to you.]

It is okay to say, "Jim, got a catch". [Where "Jim" is your partner.]

Both umpires should be watching the ball. However, the umpire(s) who have responsibility for any runner(s) should glance at the runners. "Watch the ball, glance at the runner(s)!" I teach several clinics a year with a former instructor at one of the umpire schools and he has told me that that phrase is repeated every day for six weeks at school.

I did some some checking, and this is the mechanic at pro school. Since I never aspire to attend pro school, and 95% of my training is at the FED level, this has never came up. However, it kind of blurs my mind that the reason for this mechanic is to possibly avoid a stupid snide comment. To me, it equates to the casual out signal when a batter is out by 20ft. Anyway, if they do say something similar, it gives me the chance to use my patented head and eye roll mechanic.

Thanks, lawump, for providing an answer other than, "Because I said so."

[SanDiegoSteve]

There is always the popular "because it's the right answer" answer too.

I believe the casual out signal when the batter is out by 20ft. is because there is a possibility that F3 was not quite on the base, and a nonchalant signal reaffirms that the BR was truly out, and nothing funny happened. On a can of corn, there is no other outcome than out if the fielder reaches in and pulls the ball out, so no need for a signal.