Batter Runner proceeds to second with R1 on first.

[Caesar's Ghost]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

When in the hell did you get the word hearty from? Nobody said anything about an over the top call of "That's a catch". It's just your imagination running away with you.

You do need to tell your partner. On a can of corn, it's an oral signal to your partner and no signal. But on a routine out at first (by more than a couple of steps) its a signal and no oral call.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

You do need to tell your partner. On a can of corn, it's an oral signal to your partner and no signal. But on a routine out at first (by more than a couple of steps) its a signal and no oral call.

What? Oral signal to your partner? Never heard of this one. I hope my partner never feels the need to do anything orally with me.

Why on earth would your partner need a "verbal" signal when he is watching the same baseball that you are watching?

"Hey partner, he just caught the ball, in case you are looking at that woman in the stands and not the play."

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Why on earth would your partner need a "verbal" signal when he is watching the same baseball that you are watching?

It's my hope my partner isn't watching the same baseball I am. If I'm watching the baseball, I hope he's watching the runners. In any fly ball that I have catch/no catch responsibility, I'm letting my partner know the status: "That's a catch, Steve." or "It's down, Steve." On a tag-up chance, I might even say "Touch, Steve" when the ball is touched.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by yawetag

It's my hope my partner isn't watching the same baseball I am. If I'm watching the baseball, I hope he's watching the runners. In any fly ball that I have catch/no catch responsibility, I'm letting my partner know the status: "That's a catch, Steve." or "It's down, Steve." On a tag-up chance, I might even say "Touch, Steve" when the ball is touched.

You say these things when you are the BU with your back to your partner? I do my responsibilities too, but I always know the status of the baseball. You don't give that responsibility away just because you have other responsibilities. Yes, as the PU, I will say those first two things when the BU is starting in A and busting in on the play. That is because the BU is running with his back to the baseball. Plus, we are only talking here about a can of corn to F8. That subject hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned, because that is what I have been predicating my responses on.

It is still BOTH umpires responsibility to know what is happening with the baseball, because nothing can happen without it. No, if I don't have the ball responsibility, then I don't stare down the ball, but I sure don't ever wait for my partner to tell me what is happening with it, I make sure I know for myself..

[Caesar's Ghost]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

What? Oral signal to your partner? Never heard of this one. I hope my partner never feels the need to do anything orally with me.

Why on earth would your partner need a "verbal" signal when he is watching the same baseball that you are watching?

"Hey partner, he just caught the ball, in case you are looking at that woman in the stands and not the play."

Oral means spoken. Verbal means with words so it could be written or spoken. I work in a profession where the difference matters. Sorry the precision isn't (apparently) impoirtant to you.

And, of course I'm talking about plays where the partner needs to know but isn't watching the ball. Most common with no runners on and when PU has the ball -- "that's a catch, Steve" lets your partner know that he can peel off and head back to A.

Used it last night with R1 and R3 and a ball in the V. As I (as PU) was headed toward third and glancing back to see R3 touch the plate, I heard my partner say "That's a catch, Caesar" and I didn't have to continue to third, pick up the runner and the ball, etc.

(And, frankly, your post and others by both Steve's in this thread is why I don't visit or participate more, here.)

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

Oral means spoken. Verbal means with words so it could be written or spoken. I work in a profession where the difference matters. Sorry the precision isn't (apparently) impoirtant to you.

And, of course I'm talking about plays where the partner needs to know but isn't watching the ball. Most common with no runners on and when PU has the ball -- "that's a catch, Steve" lets your partner know that he can peel off and head back to A.

Used it last night with R1 and R3 and a ball in the V. As I (as PU) was headed toward third and glancing back to see R3 touch the plate, I heard my partner say "That's a catch, Caesar" and I didn't have to continue to third, pick up the runner and the ball, etc.

(And, frankly, your post and others by both Steve's in this thread is why I don't visit or participate more, here.)

So, "of course" you were talking about a completely different situation than the one being discussed, and we were supposed to know this how? Yes, in the situation with no runners and the BU is busting in on the play, you are correct. But this was not what was being discussed, and is what you must not have understood. We were discussing the BU making the call with R1, not the PU with no runners. You said in reply to Tyler:

"You do need to tell your partner. On a can of corn, it's an oral signal to your partner and no signal. But on a routine out at first (by more than a couple of steps) its a signal and no oral call.

The first part of this is incorrect, when talking about the BU with R1. There is no oral/verbal signal from the BU on a can of corn when the BU is in the middle of the diamond. That was my point.

I am sorry that MY precision is not important to YOU.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

Oral means spoken. Verbal means with words so it could be written or spoken. I work in a profession where the difference matters.

Mirriam-Webster on line.

Verbal.

3. Spoken rather than written



Want to argue about what "rather than" means?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

Oral means spoken. Verbal means with words so it could be written or spoken.

Uhhhh, incorrect. And I just wrote that, I didn't verbalize it.