Batter Runner proceeds to second with R1 on first.

[Steven Tyler]

Defense should be telling F4 "no runner", but trying to deke a throw as a retired batter should come under the heading of "unsportsmanlike like conduct". This is especially true if BU in B gives a clear and vocal declaration of that's a catch. The goofy basstard should be pulling up by then.

[UmpJM]

Fed case play 8.3.3I explicitly says it's legal.

JM

[kylejt]

Left hand point, right hand hammer, "He's out!"

Whatever the defense does after that is on them.

[scarolinablue]

Huh...I actually forgot I had this team tonight, after discussing this today. And yes, they still do it...basically, they are coached to run everything out to (or at least past halfway) to second base on all balls, no matter how routine.

Didn't confuse the defense in tonight's game.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by scarolinablue

Huh...I actually forgot I had this team tonight, after discussing this today. And yes, they still do it...basically, they are coached to run everything out to (or at least past halfway) to second base on all balls, no matter how routine.

Didn't confuse the defense in tonight's game.

This is more along the lines of what is common at the HS level. Just don't pass the runner if the ball isn't caught.

[voiceoflg]

Originally Posted by scarolinablue

Huh...I actually forgot I had this team tonight, after discussing this today. And yes, they still do it...basically, they are coached to run everything out to (or at least past halfway) to second base on all balls, no matter how routine.

Didn't confuse the defense in tonight's game.

It would be interesting to see how the offense would react if the defense let the ball drop. I assume the BR who had passed R1 would be out anyway, this time for passing. But it might confuse a lesser experienced R1 into running and maybe getting picked off.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by voiceoflg

It would be interesting to see how the offense would react if the defense let the ball drop. I assume the BR who had passed R1 would be out anyway, this time for passing. But it might confuse a lesser experienced R1 into running and maybe getting picked off.

VoiceOfLG:

Your situation is the ideal example of why it is idiotic for a HC to require "Charlie Hustle" actions by his players.

It has been my experience that on deep fly balls to the outfield, B/R almost always touches 1B before the ball is caught. Therefore, in the Original Play (OP), if B2 has passed R1 before F8 caught the Fly Ball he would already had been out.

That said, whether B2 is out before or after he passes R1, NFHS Casebook Play 8.3.3 Situation I allows B2 to act in a manner that could induce the defense to make a play on a Retired Runner. The B/R knows he is out and he should get off the field in the most direct manner that will not interfere with anyother defensive play being made.

MTD, Sr.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

VoiceOfLG:

Your situation is the ideal example of why it is idiotic for a HC to require "Charlie Hustle" actions by his players.

It has been my experience that on deep fly balls to the outfield, B/R almost always touches 1B before the ball is caught. Therefore, in the Original Play (OP), if B2 has passed R1 before F8 caught the Fly Ball he would already had been out.

That said, whether B2 is out before or after he passes R1, NFHS Casebook Play 8.3.3 Situation I allows B2 to act in a manner that could induce the defense to make a play on a Retired Runner. The B/R knows he is out and he should get off the field in the most direct manner that will not interfere with anyother defensive play being made.

MTD, Sr.

This is more along the lines I was referring to in the first place, but then all the rocket surgeons/brain scientists started nit picking. I sort of read the OP to mean the batter was digging hard to 2B as if he was R1 trying to tag up, and go to 2B. From there the thread started steadily snowballing downhill.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Defense should be telling F4 "no runner", but trying to deke a throw as a retired batter should come under the heading of "unsportsmanlike like conduct". This is especially true if BU in A gives a clear and vocal declaration of that's a catch. The goofy basstard should be pulling up by then.

So, what is the penalty for your make believe rule?

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

So, what is the penalty for your make believe rule?

Mr. Tyler umpires in Fantasy Land where anything is possible if you just believe and click your red base shoes 3 times.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Mr. Tyler umpires in Fantasy Land where anything is possible if you just believe and click your red base shoes 3 times.

Your posts usually read like this to me: BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, etc.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

Mr. Tyler umpires in Fantasy Land where anything is possible if you just believe and click your red base shoes 3 times.

I've actually seen red base shoes.

Before people get too much in a tizzy, it was a youth game with a high-school age umpire using his game cleats for his umpire shoes.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

So, what is the penalty for your make believe rule?

I said *should* not *would*.

Are you trying to make a point, or trying to pick nits?

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

So, what is the penalty for your make believe rule?

You're slipping there. I accidently used A instead of B for the position of the BU in my post, also.

[dileonardoja]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

...This is especially true if BU in A gives a clear and vocal declaration of that's a catch.

On a can of corn????? Really???