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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:12pm
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Batter Runner proceeds to second with R1 on first.

Fed Rules. Runner at first no outs. Batter hits a fly ball to CF (can of corn). Runner stays at 1st and the batter runner proceeds to 2nd. The 2nd baseman getting the throw from the center fielder turns and sees this runner and throws the ball toward 2nd. It is an overthrow to the right of home plate. Runner from first goes to 2nd.
Is this interference from a retired runner? Do I have to judge intent on this play or is it handled the same way whether intentional or not?
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:51pm
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Can of corn on this one for me, since I've got that T-shirt. I don't have the reference, but the FED interp is essentially this: It's up to the defense to know what is going on, and the situation you've described is NOT interference on the offense.

We have a local HS team that routinely does this under the guise of "hustle" - we're convinced as umpires here that they do it to try to draw a throw, but there is nothing illegal about the B/R running, even passing another runner. I issued the coach a friendly warning (it was a preseason tournament game - a glorified scrimmage) when I first saw them do it about three years ago, but after looking it up afterwards, found that it was not illegal.


It certainly doesn't look good, and usually looks intentional. Intent, as I recall, does not matter, and is especially hard to prove in this case.
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 12:56pm
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We have a local HS team that routinely does this under the guise of "hustle" - we're convinced as umpires here that they do it to try to draw a throw, but there is nothing illegal about the B/R running, even passing another runner.
I'm sure you mean nothing illegal about a retired runner passing a teammate. Otherwise, the BR would be out.

I can't find it in the book, but if FED follows OBR on this point, it is explicitly legal to continue to run the bases after being put out.
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Yep, meant a retired runner passing a teammate. Thanks for clarifying!

I know I've read a case play in FED on this very topic, but don't have my books with me. I assume it is still in there.
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 03:09pm
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I know I've read a case play in FED on this very topic, but don't have my books with me. I assume it is still in there.
I looked and didn't see it. Of course it might be there nonetheless...
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Defense should be telling F4 "no runner", but trying to deke a throw as a retired batter should come under the heading of "unsportsmanlike like conduct". This is especially true if BU in B gives a clear and vocal declaration of that's a catch. The goofy basstard should be pulling up by then.

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Fed case play 8.3.3I explicitly says it's legal.

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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 05:44pm
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Whatever the defense does after that is on them.
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 08:42pm
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Huh...I actually forgot I had this team tonight, after discussing this today. And yes, they still do it...basically, they are coached to run everything out to (or at least past halfway) to second base on all balls, no matter how routine.

Didn't confuse the defense in tonight's game.
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Old Tue Mar 13, 2012, 11:55pm
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Defense should be telling F4 "no runner", but trying to deke a throw as a retired batter should come under the heading of "unsportsmanlike like conduct". This is especially true if BU in A gives a clear and vocal declaration of that's a catch. The goofy basstard should be pulling up by then.

So, what is the penalty for your make believe rule?
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So, what is the penalty for your make believe rule?
Mr. Tyler umpires in Fantasy Land where anything is possible if you just believe and click your red base shoes 3 times.
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2012, 12:23pm
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So, what is the penalty for your make believe rule?
I said *should* not *would*.

Are you trying to make a point, or trying to pick nits?
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Mr. Tyler umpires in Fantasy Land where anything is possible if you just believe and click your red base shoes 3 times.
Your posts usually read like this to me: BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, etc.
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2012, 12:32pm
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Huh...I actually forgot I had this team tonight, after discussing this today. And yes, they still do it...basically, they are coached to run everything out to (or at least past halfway) to second base on all balls, no matter how routine.

Didn't confuse the defense in tonight's game.
This is more along the lines of what is common at the HS level. Just don't pass the runner if the ball isn't caught.
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Old Wed Mar 14, 2012, 03:25pm
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Mr. Tyler umpires in Fantasy Land where anything is possible if you just believe and click your red base shoes 3 times.
I've actually seen red base shoes.

Before people get too much in a tizzy, it was a youth game with a high-school age umpire using his game cleats for his umpire shoes.
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