Batter Runner proceeds to second with R1 on first.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

That link is wrong on so many levels.

The statement that you would give a clear and vocal declaration of catch on a can of corn, i.e. an obvious catch situation, is only wrong on one level.

Pardon moi for not being anally retentively challenged. Is it just tooooo much trouble to give a clenched fist, with a simple, "That's a catch"?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

Pardon moi for not being anally retentively challenged. Is it just tooooo much trouble to give a clenched fist, with a simple, "That's a catch"?

You're not? Damn, you sure sound like it. Giving a big hearty "That's a catch" for a routine fly ball out to CF sounds about as anal as you can get on a baseball field. A simple arm signal is the proper mechanic. Sorry if that is too anal for you. Now, OTOH, if the CF is running for the ball, and the catch/no catch is in ANY way in question, then a verbal signal is not only a good idea, but also the proper mechanic. So it just boils down to the original play, which was described as a routine can of corn, in which all participants could readily see for themselves that a catch was imminent. Now, if the CF were to drop said can of corn, then the BU should holler "No catch." I do hope you see the difference here and that you are not too AR challenged to see it!

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

You're not? Damn, you sure sound like it. Giving a big hearty "That's a catch" for a routine fly ball out to CF sounds about as anal as you can get on a baseball field. A simple arm signal is the proper mechanic. Sorry if that is too anal for you. Now, OTOH, if the CF is running for the ball, and the catch/no catch is in ANY way in question, then a verbal signal is not only a good idea, but also the proper mechanic. So it just boils down to the original play, which was described as a routine can of corn, in which all participants could readily see for themselves that a catch was imminent. Now, if the CF were to drop said can of corn, then the BU should holler "No catch." I do hope you see the difference here and that you are not too AR challenged to see it!

When in the hell did you get the word hearty from? Nobody said anything about an over the top call of "That's a catch". It's just your imagination running away with you.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

When in the hell did you get the word hearty from? Nobody said anything about an over the top call of "That's a catch". It's just your imagination running away with you.

Okay, leave out the word hearty (and big). Change it to audible. Rest of statement stands. Now, explain why it is necessary to tell ANYBODY on the field that you have a catch? Aren't they all seeing what you are?

[MD Longhorn]

I thought we had a no-quoting-the-troll policy around here! My ignore can't work if you keep it up, Steve.

That said, the quoted posts make me happy to have left the ignore on. Dumberer and Dumbererer. Someone should remind TB that there's a REASON for the mechanics we are supposed to use. There's no reason to make an audible call at all on an obvious play. Like the new guy in our association who likes to verbally call foul on every tap back to the screen or out of play. Might as well wear a hat that says ROOKIE instead of TASO (or whatever your local hats say). All you're doing by verbalizing the catch on a routine play is notifying coach that you are clueless, and that can't be conducive to having a good day out there.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I thought we had a no-quoting-the-troll policy around here! My ignore can't work if you keep it up, Steve.

That said, the quoted posts make me happy to have left the ignore on. Dumberer and Dumbererer. Someone should remind TB that there's a REASON for the mechanics we are supposed to use. There's no reason to make an audible call at all on an obvious play. Like the new guy in our association who likes to verbally call foul on every tap back to the screen or out of play. Might as well wear a hat that says ROOKIE instead of TASO (or whatever your local hats say). All you're doing by verbalizing the catch on a routine play is notifying coach that you are clueless, and that can't be conducive to having a good day out there.

Your ignore is working. You're as ignorant as they come.

[Welpe]

SDS and Steven Tyler arguing. Baseball season has arrived.

[Caesar's Ghost]

Originally Posted by Steven Tyler

When in the hell did you get the word hearty from? Nobody said anything about an over the top call of "That's a catch". It's just your imagination running away with you.

You do need to tell your partner. On a can of corn, it's an oral signal to your partner and no signal. But on a routine out at first (by more than a couple of steps) its a signal and no oral call.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

You do need to tell your partner. On a can of corn, it's an oral signal to your partner and no signal. But on a routine out at first (by more than a couple of steps) its a signal and no oral call.

What? Oral signal to your partner? Never heard of this one. I hope my partner never feels the need to do anything orally with me.

Why on earth would your partner need a "verbal" signal when he is watching the same baseball that you are watching?

"Hey partner, he just caught the ball, in case you are looking at that woman in the stands and not the play."

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

Why on earth would your partner need a "verbal" signal when he is watching the same baseball that you are watching?

It's my hope my partner isn't watching the same baseball I am. If I'm watching the baseball, I hope he's watching the runners. In any fly ball that I have catch/no catch responsibility, I'm letting my partner know the status: "That's a catch, Steve." or "It's down, Steve." On a tag-up chance, I might even say "Touch, Steve" when the ball is touched.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by yawetag

It's my hope my partner isn't watching the same baseball I am. If I'm watching the baseball, I hope he's watching the runners. In any fly ball that I have catch/no catch responsibility, I'm letting my partner know the status: "That's a catch, Steve." or "It's down, Steve." On a tag-up chance, I might even say "Touch, Steve" when the ball is touched.

You say these things when you are the BU with your back to your partner? I do my responsibilities too, but I always know the status of the baseball. You don't give that responsibility away just because you have other responsibilities. Yes, as the PU, I will say those first two things when the BU is starting in A and busting in on the play. That is because the BU is running with his back to the baseball. Plus, we are only talking here about a can of corn to F8. That subject hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned, because that is what I have been predicating my responses on.

It is still BOTH umpires responsibility to know what is happening with the baseball, because nothing can happen without it. No, if I don't have the ball responsibility, then I don't stare down the ball, but I sure don't ever wait for my partner to tell me what is happening with it, I make sure I know for myself..

[Caesar's Ghost]

Originally Posted by SanDiegoSteve

What? Oral signal to your partner? Never heard of this one. I hope my partner never feels the need to do anything orally with me.

Why on earth would your partner need a "verbal" signal when he is watching the same baseball that you are watching?

"Hey partner, he just caught the ball, in case you are looking at that woman in the stands and not the play."

Oral means spoken. Verbal means with words so it could be written or spoken. I work in a profession where the difference matters. Sorry the precision isn't (apparently) impoirtant to you.

And, of course I'm talking about plays where the partner needs to know but isn't watching the ball. Most common with no runners on and when PU has the ball -- "that's a catch, Steve" lets your partner know that he can peel off and head back to A.

Used it last night with R1 and R3 and a ball in the V. As I (as PU) was headed toward third and glancing back to see R3 touch the plate, I heard my partner say "That's a catch, Caesar" and I didn't have to continue to third, pick up the runner and the ball, etc.

(And, frankly, your post and others by both Steve's in this thread is why I don't visit or participate more, here.)

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

Oral means spoken. Verbal means with words so it could be written or spoken. I work in a profession where the difference matters. Sorry the precision isn't (apparently) impoirtant to you.

And, of course I'm talking about plays where the partner needs to know but isn't watching the ball. Most common with no runners on and when PU has the ball -- "that's a catch, Steve" lets your partner know that he can peel off and head back to A.

Used it last night with R1 and R3 and a ball in the V. As I (as PU) was headed toward third and glancing back to see R3 touch the plate, I heard my partner say "That's a catch, Caesar" and I didn't have to continue to third, pick up the runner and the ball, etc.

(And, frankly, your post and others by both Steve's in this thread is why I don't visit or participate more, here.)

So, "of course" you were talking about a completely different situation than the one being discussed, and we were supposed to know this how? Yes, in the situation with no runners and the BU is busting in on the play, you are correct. But this was not what was being discussed, and is what you must not have understood. We were discussing the BU making the call with R1, not the PU with no runners. You said in reply to Tyler:

"You do need to tell your partner. On a can of corn, it's an oral signal to your partner and no signal. But on a routine out at first (by more than a couple of steps) its a signal and no oral call.

The first part of this is incorrect, when talking about the BU with R1. There is no oral/verbal signal from the BU on a can of corn when the BU is in the middle of the diamond. That was my point.

I am sorry that MY precision is not important to YOU.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

Oral means spoken. Verbal means with words so it could be written or spoken. I work in a profession where the difference matters.

Mirriam-Webster on line.

Verbal.

3. Spoken rather than written



Want to argue about what "rather than" means?

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

Oral means spoken. Verbal means with words so it could be written or spoken.

Uhhhh, incorrect. And I just wrote that, I didn't verbalize it.