String theory for NFHS?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by dileonardoja

What is the string theory?

OBR: A runner is out when hit by a batted ball unless the ball goes THROUGH OR IMMEDIATELY PAST a fielder.

FED: A runner is out when hit by a batted ball unless the ball has passed a fielder. So, here, stretch a string from F3 to F4 to F6 to F5. IF the ball passes the string, the runner is not out.

[bigda65]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

OBR: A runner is out when hit by a batted ball unless the ball goes THROUGH OR IMMEDIATELY PAST a fielder.

FED: A runner is out when hit by a batted ball unless the ball has passed a fielder. So, here, stretch a string from F3 to F4 to F6 to F5. IF the ball passes the string, the runner is not out.

Bob,

Could you give a couple of examples of being hit with a batted ball, where the call would be different based on which rule set you were using.

I gave an example to my colleague, where both infielders (1b and 2b) were playing directly in front of their respective bases.
The runner is hit while half way between 1b and 2b.
Safe in Fed
Out in MLB

Can you give me any more insight on how to clarify the difference for my colleague?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bigda65

Safe in Fed
Out in MLB

That's one way.

The other is:
Out in MLB
Safe in FED

That should just about cover it.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bigda65

Bob,

Could you give a couple of examples of being hit with a batted ball, where the call would be different based on which rule set you were using.

I gave an example to my colleague, where both infielders (1b and 2b) were playing directly in front of their respective bases.
The runner is hit while half way between 1b and 2b.
Safe in Fed
Out in MLB

Can you give me any more insight on how to clarify the difference for my colleague?

I'm not Bob, but maybe this will help:

INFIELD BACK

1. R1 hit by batted ball between 1B and 2B
FED: out
OBR: out

INFIELD IN

2. R1 hit by batted ball between 1B and 2B (this is your case)
FED: play on
OBR: out

3. R1 hit by batted ball directly behind F4
FED: play on
OBR: play on


I can't envision a case in which you'd have an out under FED but not OBR.

This is a kind of interference, BTW. The ball is dead, other runners returned to the TOI base.

[bigda65]

Thanks guys,

I will try to send him here and read a little, He thinks it is me against the world.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bigda65

Thanks guys,

I will try to send him here and read a little, He thinks it is me against the world.

There's some guys in my association who like to keep it simple: runner who gets hit by a batted ball is out. Period. End of story, no matter the code.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I
I can't envision a case in which you'd have an out under OBR but not FED.

Do you mean an out under FED but not OBR?

[UmpJM]

bigda,

This is what the MLBUM has to say on the subject:

The interpretation to be made with regard to the phrase "a fair ball goes through, or by, an infielder, and touches a runner immediately back of him" (Official Baseball Rules 7.09(m) and 5.09(f)) is that this refers to a ball that passes through the infielder's legs, or by his immediate vicinity, and strikes a runner directly behind the infielder.

....

(5) Runners on first and second, both runners stealing. Batter shows bunt, the first and third basemen move in, and the shortstop moves to cover third. The batter swings at the last minute and hits a ground ball in the direction of the shortstop position. However, the shortstop has
moved to cover third base, and no one is in position to field the ball. The ground ball strikes the runner advancing from second base.

Ruling: Runner from second is declared out for being struck by a batted ball. The batter-runner is placed at first base. The ball is not considered to have gone through or by an infielder in this play.

Welpe,

Yes, I believe that is what mbyron meant to say.

JM

[bigda65]

Thanks again JM and others,

For a second, I was starting to think it was me against the world.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Do you mean an out under FED but not OBR?

Yes. Fixed.

[TussAgee11]

Originally Posted by mbyron

This is a kind of interference, BTW. The ball is dead, other runners returned to the TOI base.

TOP since batter hasn't reached first base. 2.00 OBR. Glanced through FED and couldn't find it. Don't have NCAA on me at this time. Perhaps others could cite accordingly?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by TussAgee11

TOP since batter hasn't reached first base. 2.00 OBR. Glanced through FED and couldn't find it. Don't have NCAA on me at this time. Perhaps others could cite accordingly?

In FED all interference, except FPSR, is TOI.