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bigda65 Tue May 17, 2011 11:06am

String theory for NFHS?
 
In a discussion with a high school umpire about a batted ball hitting a runner, I got the impression that they use the string theory to determine whether or not a batted ball has passed a fielder. Is this the case for NFHS?

I know the MLB rulebook says (k) A fair ball touches him on fair territory before touching a fielder. If a fair ball goes
through, or by, an infielder, and touches a runner immediately back of him, or
touches the runner after having been deflected by a fielder, the umpire shall not
declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. In making such decision
the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the fielder, and
that no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball.


What does the NFHS rulebook say??

UmpJM Tue May 17, 2011 11:07am

bigda,

The NFHS interp is the "string theory" suggested by your colleague.

JM

Welpe Tue May 17, 2011 11:19am

I wonder what OBR has against one dimensional quarks?

bigda65 Tue May 17, 2011 11:24am

JM,

How is the string theory applied to a barry bonds type shift, R2, and he gets hit directly between 2nd and 3rd. The farthest (is that a word?) left infielder is directly between the pitchers mound and 2nd base.

bob jenkins Tue May 17, 2011 11:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigda65 (Post 759107)
JM,

How is the string theory applied to a barry bonds type shift, R2, and he gets hit directly between 2nd and 3rd. The farthest (is that a word?) left infielder is directly between the pitchers mound and 2nd base.

1) Won't happen. No one would have this shift with R2.

2) Not exacltly covered, but I'd draw a line from that fielder perpendicular to the third base line and use that as part of the string.

dileonardoja Tue May 17, 2011 04:23pm

What is the string theory?:confused:

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue May 17, 2011 06:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dileonardoja (Post 759192)
What is the string theory?:confused:



Read Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time.

MTD, Sr.

bob jenkins Tue May 17, 2011 08:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dileonardoja (Post 759192)
What is the string theory?:confused:

OBR: A runner is out when hit by a batted ball unless the ball goes THROUGH OR IMMEDIATELY PAST a fielder.

FED: A runner is out when hit by a batted ball unless the ball has passed a fielder. So, here, stretch a string from F3 to F4 to F6 to F5. IF the ball passes the string, the runner is not out.

dileonardoja Wed May 18, 2011 09:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 759219)
Read Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time.

MTD, Sr.

Not Funny, Not Helpful:(

bigda65 Wed May 18, 2011 10:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 759239)
OBR: A runner is out when hit by a batted ball unless the ball goes THROUGH OR IMMEDIATELY PAST a fielder.

FED: A runner is out when hit by a batted ball unless the ball has passed a fielder. So, here, stretch a string from F3 to F4 to F6 to F5. IF the ball passes the string, the runner is not out.

Bob,

Could you give a couple of examples of being hit with a batted ball, where the call would be different based on which rule set you were using.

I gave an example to my colleague, where both infielders (1b and 2b) were playing directly in front of their respective bases.
The runner is hit while half way between 1b and 2b.
Safe in Fed
Out in MLB

Can you give me any more insight on how to clarify the difference for my colleague?

bob jenkins Wed May 18, 2011 10:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigda65 (Post 759367)
Safe in Fed
Out in MLB

That's one way.

The other is:
Out in MLB
Safe in FED

That should just about cover it.

mbyron Wed May 18, 2011 10:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigda65 (Post 759367)
Bob,

Could you give a couple of examples of being hit with a batted ball, where the call would be different based on which rule set you were using.

I gave an example to my colleague, where both infielders (1b and 2b) were playing directly in front of their respective bases.
The runner is hit while half way between 1b and 2b.
Safe in Fed
Out in MLB

Can you give me any more insight on how to clarify the difference for my colleague?

I'm not Bob, but maybe this will help:

INFIELD BACK

1. R1 hit by batted ball between 1B and 2B
FED: out
OBR: out

INFIELD IN

2. R1 hit by batted ball between 1B and 2B (this is your case)
FED: play on
OBR: out

3. R1 hit by batted ball directly behind F4
FED: play on
OBR: play on


I can't envision a case in which you'd have an out under FED but not OBR.

This is a kind of interference, BTW. The ball is dead, other runners returned to the TOI base.

bigda65 Wed May 18, 2011 10:50am

Thanks guys,

I will try to send him here and read a little, He thinks it is me against the world.

mbyron Wed May 18, 2011 10:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigda65 (Post 759377)
Thanks guys,

I will try to send him here and read a little, He thinks it is me against the world.

There's some guys in my association who like to keep it simple: runner who gets hit by a batted ball is out. Period. End of story, no matter the code. :rolleyes:

Welpe Wed May 18, 2011 11:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 759374)
I
I can't envision a case in which you'd have an out under OBR but not FED.

Do you mean an out under FED but not OBR?


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