Timing play or not?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

FED rules, runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Fly ball to deep center field. R3 tags and scores, R1 goes halfway to 2B and gets thrown out at 1st after R3 has scored.

Does the run count?

Was R1 forced back to first? Does the play meet any of the other exceptions in 4.09?

[umpjim]

You guys are being gentle with someone with these credentials:

T.S.S.A.A. - Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association
T.C.U.A. - Tennessee Collegiate Umpires Association

[etn_ump]

Originally Posted by umpjim

You guys are being gentle with someone with these credentials:

T.S.S.A.A. - Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association
T.C.U.A. - Tennessee Collegiate Umpires Association

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

I think the question was asked because your OP did not state rules citations and it was asked similar to that of a rookie.

Originally Posted by etn_ump

FED rules, runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Fly ball to deep center field. R3 tags and scores, R1 goes halfway to 2B and gets thrown out at 1st after R3 has scored.

Does the run count?

It is a time play and the run scores - simple as that. With your posted credentials, I would think that this would be an easy 1-2-3 decision for you. But if you want rule references, I would suggest with your posted credentials, you should dig out your rulebooks and look for yourself. Seeing as how this was FED, you also might want to refer to the FED casebook. I'm sure with your posted credentials, you have one of those buried in your equipment bag. Why not post the rules you find and the casebook references for those of us who have no posted credentials so we can become smart, too!

[kylejt]

The point is if you're a college umpire, and don't know that simple rule, there's a problem.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by kylejt

The point is if you're a college umpire, and don't know that simple rule, there's a problem.

Something else one would expect of a college umpire:

The correct term is "time play" not timing play.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Something else one would expect of a college umpire:

The correct term is "time play" not timing play.

I know lots of college umpires who get that wrong.

[etn_ump]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I think the question was asked because your OP did not state rules citations and it was asked similar to that of a rookie.

It is a time play and the run scores - simple as that. With your posted credentials, I would think that this would be an easy 1-2-3 decision for you. But if you want rule references, I would suggest with your posted credentials, you should dig out your rulebooks and look for yourself. Seeing as how this was FED, you also might want to refer to the FED casebook. I'm sure with your posted credentials, you have one of those buried in your equipment bag. Why not post the rules you find and the casebook references for those of us who have no posted credentials so we can become smart, too!

I shouldn't have asked.

I was in Atlanta working a week long tournament, out of town, without my rule books, went on my laptop to ask a question and I catch all this crap.

All I wanted was rule cites not a whole bunch of garbage.

You wonder why more people don't use this site, this is why.

Do the letters, F.O., mean anything to yall?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Do the letters, F.O., mean anything to yall?

Field Officer?

I will point out that your OP asks, "Does the run count?"

It doesn't state, "I know this run counts, but I'm pout of town without my books and need to prove it. Can someone please provide the OBR reference?"

[DG]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Field Officer?

I will point out that your OP asks, "Does the run count?"

It doesn't state, "I know this run counts, but I'm out of town without my books and need to prove it. Can someone please provide the OBR reference?"

Touche'. But he had a laptop, and apparently access to internet to ask the question. So he had access to an OBR rule book at MLB.com

My trunk trunk has rule books in it, something he should consider.

[MrUmpire]

[QUOTE=etn_ump;685044]

All I wanted was rule cites not a whole bunch of garbage.

Then you should have indicated you were up to your resume and knew the rule and just wanted a citation, instead of asking a dumbass rookie question.

You wonder why more people don't use this site, this is why.

What is why? People pretending to be experienced veterans asking dumbass questions?

Do the letters, F.O., mean anything to yall?

Forward Observer?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

I shouldn't have asked.

I was in Atlanta working a week long tournament, out of town, without my rule books, went on my laptop to ask a question and I catch all this crap.

All I wanted was rule cites not a whole bunch of garbage.

You wonder why more people don't use this site, this is why.

Do the letters, F.O., mean anything to yall?

Methinks you might be just a l'il too thin-skinned for sports officiating.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

I shouldn't have asked.

I was in Atlanta working a week long tournament, out of town, without my rule books, went on my laptop to ask a question and I catch all this crap.

All I wanted was rule cites not a whole bunch of garbage.

You wonder why more people don't use this site, this is why.

Do the letters, F.O., mean anything to yall?

Why would any umpire work a week-long tournament without access to a rule book, much less without bringing it along? Didn't any of the other umpires at the tournament have a rule book? How about the tournament director(s)? How would you resolve a protest at the tournament if nobody had a rule book? Just curious....

JJ
F.O. (Fine Official)

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

I shouldn't have asked.

You purport yourself to be a college umpire. It's not so much that you should have asked... it's that either A) you shouldn't have had to ask... or B) you are severely misrepresenting your credentials.

Originally Posted by etn_ump

I was in Atlanta working a week long tournament, out of town, without my rule books, went on my laptop to ask a question and I catch all this crap. All I wanted was rule cites not a whole bunch of garbage.

Seriously? This is a basic principal. You should have this down pretty clearly after your very first season of 10U ball. Seriously. You wonder why you're catching crap? This is a DUMB question that implies that you're either a REALLY bad coach, or you're out on the field umpiring with absolutely no training or even a single read through the rulebook.

Originally Posted by etn_ump

You wonder why more people don't use this site, this is why.

Hmm. I don't recall wondering anything of the sort. Seems that except for 3 trolls and the occasional parent/coach who wants to come on here just to bag on umpires, we have a good group here - and everyone here comes to get better - not to display the fact that even though they umpire college games they've never read the book.

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Do the letters, F.O., mean anything to yall?

Oo. Ouch. You really got us there. We're wounded.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

Glad you got it right, hope you have read the offered citations. Your credentials cause me to be surprised that you don't know this most basic principle. But, maybe I'm expecting too much. I believe the pros blew a time play last year so you got it right without knowing why. Anyone else remember a time play gone wrong in MLB. (I typed timing twice in the previous sentences and caught my mistake).