Timing play or not?

[etn_ump]

Originally Posted by umpjim

You guys are being gentle with someone with these credentials:

T.S.S.A.A. - Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association
T.C.U.A. - Tennessee Collegiate Umpires Association

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

I think the question was asked because your OP did not state rules citations and it was asked similar to that of a rookie.

Originally Posted by etn_ump

FED rules, runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Fly ball to deep center field. R3 tags and scores, R1 goes halfway to 2B and gets thrown out at 1st after R3 has scored.

Does the run count?

It is a time play and the run scores - simple as that. With your posted credentials, I would think that this would be an easy 1-2-3 decision for you. But if you want rule references, I would suggest with your posted credentials, you should dig out your rulebooks and look for yourself. Seeing as how this was FED, you also might want to refer to the FED casebook. I'm sure with your posted credentials, you have one of those buried in your equipment bag. Why not post the rules you find and the casebook references for those of us who have no posted credentials so we can become smart, too!

[kylejt]

The point is if you're a college umpire, and don't know that simple rule, there's a problem.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by kylejt

The point is if you're a college umpire, and don't know that simple rule, there's a problem.

Something else one would expect of a college umpire:

The correct term is "time play" not timing play.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Something else one would expect of a college umpire:

The correct term is "time play" not timing play.

I know lots of college umpires who get that wrong.

[johnnyg08]

I know several college umpires who shouldn't be doing college games, but their "A" job has a flexible schedule so they get the games. Certainly, many of the guys who do the college ball in our area are very good and very qualified. But I know many excellent umpires who can't do college because of their job.

No comment on the OP. I think regardless of the guy's credentials, he deserves a fair answer to his question, not picking him apart because of what we read in his signature.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I know lots of college umpires who get that wrong.

I've heard a lot of quality instructors say "timing", as that makes the most grammatical sense. As in it's a matter of timing, not time. What happens first, as opposed to where the hands of the clock are.

It may even be a regional thing. Like supper.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by kylejt

I've heard a lot of quality instructors say "timing",

Have you ever heard it called a timing play by instructors or owners at proschool?

... it's a matter of timing, not time.

No, it's a matter of time.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I know lots of college umpires who get that wrong.

You need to hang out with a better class of umpires.

[etn_ump]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I think the question was asked because your OP did not state rules citations and it was asked similar to that of a rookie.

It is a time play and the run scores - simple as that. With your posted credentials, I would think that this would be an easy 1-2-3 decision for you. But if you want rule references, I would suggest with your posted credentials, you should dig out your rulebooks and look for yourself. Seeing as how this was FED, you also might want to refer to the FED casebook. I'm sure with your posted credentials, you have one of those buried in your equipment bag. Why not post the rules you find and the casebook references for those of us who have no posted credentials so we can become smart, too!

I shouldn't have asked.

I was in Atlanta working a week long tournament, out of town, without my rule books, went on my laptop to ask a question and I catch all this crap.

All I wanted was rule cites not a whole bunch of garbage.

You wonder why more people don't use this site, this is why.

Do the letters, F.O., mean anything to yall?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Do the letters, F.O., mean anything to yall?

Field Officer?

I will point out that your OP asks, "Does the run count?"

It doesn't state, "I know this run counts, but I'm pout of town without my books and need to prove it. Can someone please provide the OBR reference?"

[DG]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Field Officer?

I will point out that your OP asks, "Does the run count?"

It doesn't state, "I know this run counts, but I'm out of town without my books and need to prove it. Can someone please provide the OBR reference?"

Touche'. But he had a laptop, and apparently access to internet to ask the question. So he had access to an OBR rule book at MLB.com

My trunk trunk has rule books in it, something he should consider.

[UmpJM]

Gentlemen,

Rather than "piling on", I'll just offer a different perspective.

When I saw etn_ump's post, I didn't notice his "credentials". So, I just tried to answer his question.

Personally, I thought it an exceptionally good answer. But hey, that's just me.

Now that his credentials have been called to my attention, I too am a little surprised that he asked the question.

But...

Some of the best umpires I know and have worked with are not especially "articulate" about the rules. They KNOW the rules, and how to properly apply them - they just aren't especially good at explaining why and giving supporting rule cites and such.

I myself am very good at those latter things, but some of these guys who aren't are better umpires than I in my own estimation. They just are.

Yes, I'm sure.

The body of etn_ump's posts here lead me to believe that he's a credible umpire in the leagues he works.

JMO.

JM

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by UmpJM (nee CoachJM)

Some of the best umpires I know and have worked with are not especially "articulate" about the rules. They KNOW the rules, and how to properly apply them - they just aren't especially good at explaining why and giving supporting rule cites and such.
JM

Same here.

[yawetag]

Originally Posted by DG

Touche'. But he had a laptop, and apparently access to internet to ask the question. So he had access to an OBR rule book at MLB.com

This. At the least, keep a PDF copy on your computer.