Timing play or not?

[etn_ump]

FED rules, runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Fly ball to deep center field. R3 tags and scores, R1 goes halfway to 2B and gets thrown out at 1st after R3 has scored.

Does the run count?

[UmpJM]

etn_ump,

It is a time play.

If the R3 scores before the R1 is put out on a retouch appeal at 1B, the run scores.

If the R1 is put out first, the R3's run does not score.

There are only three situations with a 3rd out that are NOT time plays - everything else IS.

They are:

1. BR is retired before safely touching 1B. (4.09(a) Ex. 1)

2. A forced runner is retired while he is still forced. (4.09(a) Ex. 2)

3. A preceding runner is retired on appeal after following runner(s) have scored. (7.12)

JM

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

FED rules, runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Fly ball to deep center field. R3 tags and scores, R1 goes halfway to 2B and gets thrown out at 1st after R3 has scored.

Does the run count?

Was R1 forced back to first? Does the play meet any of the other exceptions in 4.09?

[umpjim]

You guys are being gentle with someone with these credentials:

T.S.S.A.A. - Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association
T.C.U.A. - Tennessee Collegiate Umpires Association

[etn_ump]

Originally Posted by umpjim

You guys are being gentle with someone with these credentials:

T.S.S.A.A. - Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association
T.C.U.A. - Tennessee Collegiate Umpires Association

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

I think the question was asked because your OP did not state rules citations and it was asked similar to that of a rookie.

Originally Posted by etn_ump

FED rules, runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Fly ball to deep center field. R3 tags and scores, R1 goes halfway to 2B and gets thrown out at 1st after R3 has scored.

Does the run count?

It is a time play and the run scores - simple as that. With your posted credentials, I would think that this would be an easy 1-2-3 decision for you. But if you want rule references, I would suggest with your posted credentials, you should dig out your rulebooks and look for yourself. Seeing as how this was FED, you also might want to refer to the FED casebook. I'm sure with your posted credentials, you have one of those buried in your equipment bag. Why not post the rules you find and the casebook references for those of us who have no posted credentials so we can become smart, too!

[kylejt]

The point is if you're a college umpire, and don't know that simple rule, there's a problem.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by kylejt

The point is if you're a college umpire, and don't know that simple rule, there's a problem.

Something else one would expect of a college umpire:

The correct term is "time play" not timing play.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Something else one would expect of a college umpire:

The correct term is "time play" not timing play.

I know lots of college umpires who get that wrong.

[johnnyg08]

I know several college umpires who shouldn't be doing college games, but their "A" job has a flexible schedule so they get the games. Certainly, many of the guys who do the college ball in our area are very good and very qualified. But I know many excellent umpires who can't do college because of their job.

No comment on the OP. I think regardless of the guy's credentials, he deserves a fair answer to his question, not picking him apart because of what we read in his signature.

[kylejt]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I know lots of college umpires who get that wrong.

I've heard a lot of quality instructors say "timing", as that makes the most grammatical sense. As in it's a matter of timing, not time. What happens first, as opposed to where the hands of the clock are.

It may even be a regional thing. Like supper.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

I know lots of college umpires who get that wrong.

You need to hang out with a better class of umpires.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by kylejt

I've heard a lot of quality instructors say "timing",

Have you ever heard it called a timing play by instructors or owners at proschool?

... it's a matter of timing, not time.

No, it's a matter of time.

[dash_riprock]

Originally Posted by MrUmpire

Have you ever heard it called a timing play by instructors or owners at proschool?

Yes, and much worse.

[MrUmpire]

Originally Posted by dash_riprock

Yes, and much worse.

Incredible.

I went to JEAPU and the Jim and his instructors never referred to it as anything but a time play. And they corrected students who said timing play.

It has stuck with me since.