Timing play or not?

[etn_ump]

FED rules, runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Fly ball to deep center field. R3 tags and scores, R1 goes halfway to 2B and gets thrown out at 1st after R3 has scored.

Does the run count?

[UmpJM]

etn_ump,

It is a time play.

If the R3 scores before the R1 is put out on a retouch appeal at 1B, the run scores.

If the R1 is put out first, the R3's run does not score.

There are only three situations with a 3rd out that are NOT time plays - everything else IS.

They are:

1. BR is retired before safely touching 1B. (4.09(a) Ex. 1)

2. A forced runner is retired while he is still forced. (4.09(a) Ex. 2)

3. A preceding runner is retired on appeal after following runner(s) have scored. (7.12)

JM

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

FED rules, runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Fly ball to deep center field. R3 tags and scores, R1 goes halfway to 2B and gets thrown out at 1st after R3 has scored.

Does the run count?

Was R1 forced back to first? Does the play meet any of the other exceptions in 4.09?

[umpjim]

You guys are being gentle with someone with these credentials:

T.S.S.A.A. - Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association
T.C.U.A. - Tennessee Collegiate Umpires Association

[etn_ump]

Originally Posted by umpjim

You guys are being gentle with someone with these credentials:

T.S.S.A.A. - Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association
T.C.U.A. - Tennessee Collegiate Umpires Association

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

[ozzy6900]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

I think the question was asked because your OP did not state rules citations and it was asked similar to that of a rookie.

Originally Posted by etn_ump

FED rules, runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Fly ball to deep center field. R3 tags and scores, R1 goes halfway to 2B and gets thrown out at 1st after R3 has scored.

Does the run count?

It is a time play and the run scores - simple as that. With your posted credentials, I would think that this would be an easy 1-2-3 decision for you. But if you want rule references, I would suggest with your posted credentials, you should dig out your rulebooks and look for yourself. Seeing as how this was FED, you also might want to refer to the FED casebook. I'm sure with your posted credentials, you have one of those buried in your equipment bag. Why not post the rules you find and the casebook references for those of us who have no posted credentials so we can become smart, too!

[kylejt]

The point is if you're a college umpire, and don't know that simple rule, there's a problem.

[etn_ump]

Originally Posted by ozzy6900

I think the question was asked because your OP did not state rules citations and it was asked similar to that of a rookie.

It is a time play and the run scores - simple as that. With your posted credentials, I would think that this would be an easy 1-2-3 decision for you. But if you want rule references, I would suggest with your posted credentials, you should dig out your rulebooks and look for yourself. Seeing as how this was FED, you also might want to refer to the FED casebook. I'm sure with your posted credentials, you have one of those buried in your equipment bag. Why not post the rules you find and the casebook references for those of us who have no posted credentials so we can become smart, too!

I shouldn't have asked.

I was in Atlanta working a week long tournament, out of town, without my rule books, went on my laptop to ask a question and I catch all this crap.

All I wanted was rule cites not a whole bunch of garbage.

You wonder why more people don't use this site, this is why.

Do the letters, F.O., mean anything to yall?

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by etn_ump

Easy Jim.

We ruled correctly, just wanted rules citations for future references.

Sorry I asked.

Glad you got it right, hope you have read the offered citations. Your credentials cause me to be surprised that you don't know this most basic principle. But, maybe I'm expecting too much. I believe the pros blew a time play last year so you got it right without knowing why. Anyone else remember a time play gone wrong in MLB. (I typed timing twice in the previous sentences and caught my mistake).

[johnnyg08]

There was one involving Cleveland a while back where they added the run back on the board later in the game.