Rec game screw up

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by mbyron

1. Make sure that you verbalize "No catch!" and don't merely signal it. You should not both have made a call -- only one umpire has the ball (I can't tell which from your description, as it depends on how the F7 was moving).

2. A more vigorous call on the catch/no catch would have prevented some of the other follies.

3. The BR is not out for abandonment until he enters the dugout (NFHS) or leaves the dirt circle (OBR). In any case, you should never call abandonment during a live-ball play like this: no rule determines the route the BR must take on his way to 1B (well, within some limits). You were correct NOT to call an out for abandonment.

We were pretty vigorous on our safe signal, but admitingly did not verbalize.

As for abandonment, he should have been called out immediately. The rule you are referencing is for a batter-runner who has yet to touch first base. According to FED rule 8-4-2p: Any runner is out when he, after at least touching first base, leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base.

I guess I didn't say whether or not he had actually made it to first.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

As for abandonment, he should have been called out immediately. .

Absolutely, Positively - NOT!

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Absolutely, Positively - NOT!

Really? I thought the rule I quoted shows I screwed up. How did I luck into the right call?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Really? I thought the rule I quoted shows I screwed up. How did I luck into the right call?

Because in FED ball the runner isn't declared out for desertion until he steps into the dugout. He didn't and he sets his own baseline, so who cares if he's over by the dugout?

[jicecone]

I agree with Byron however, are you going to tell us if he made it to first before allegedly abandoning the base or not?

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by jicecone

I agree with Byron however, are you going to tell us if he made it to first before allegedly abandoning the base or not?

Yes, he made it to first.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

According to FED rule 8-4-2p: Any runner is out when he, after at least touching first base, leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base.

You are applying this rule incorrectly. BR can run to right field if he wants. "Abandonment" does not apply to this situation at all, and its SURELY not something you try to call when action is occurring elsewhere.