How to screw up a good game !

bossref · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 02:49am

If your partner is an arrogant, egotistical, SOB
he can ruin a great game with just one call.

Case in point: San Diego State versus University of San Diego on Wednesday night.
Last minute of game with narrow difference in score:

Dave Libbey (he of several Final Fours and he who runs a basketball officiating camp)has a no-call, for which the USD coach comments: "That was a foul, Dave."

No profanity. No attempt at embarrassment. Game on the line.
and BAM .... here comes the T that changes the complexity of the whole game and ruins it for partners and players.

This kind of crap ruins it for those who understand the game
and gives reason for coaches to lose respect for those
who actually develop relationships and provide service.

Rich · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 08:18am

Ummmm.....says you. Which of the schools did you attend?

Rich

ChuckElias · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 10:15am

Quote:

Originally posted by bossref
the USD coach comments: "That was a foul, Dave."

Any chance that's not an exact quote, Barry? Any chance there was something ealier in the game that made this comment the "final straw"? What are the chances, realistically, that a Final Four NCAA official is going to T anybody for that comment?

bossref · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 10:20am

I was not born, raised, or schooled on the west coast.
I have lived in San Diego since 1979 and have known this
official since 1980.
I also know the personality of the USD coach.

He has always been quick to T coaches.

IMHO he thinks that NOBODY should challenge him or
even think about questioning a call (or no-call).

If someone does, look out!

Rich · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 10:25am

If Libbey is like you say, he wouldn't get hired and he wouldn't call Final Fours.

And if he is like you say, the coach should know better, right?

BktBallRef · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 10:26am

So, you were his partner for this game?

Mregor · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 10:38am

Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
So, you were his partner for this game?

You caught that too? He did start the post with, If your partner is...

bossref · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 10:49am

I know how this official operates
as I have known him for over 20 years.

This is not the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 100th time
that Libbey has been quick to T a coach.

IMHO he took the game away from the players.

He considers himself to be bullet proof as he has
aligned himself with enough assignors that
they overlook many of his bad decisions,
because he is a friend and has been to the Final Four.

Being a friend and/or having worked "big time" games does NOT make you right all the time.

Ask his co-workers or former partners.

Maybe you'll come away with a different opinion.

Andy · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 11:41am

I have attended one of Dave Libbey's camps, talked to him about officiating philosophies and watched him work numerous PAC-10 games as well as other national games like the final four over the last several years.

Barry, I must say that I disagree with your opinion of Dave Libbey. In my opinion, he is one of the best officials working D1 and has been for several years. I have never thought of him as "quick to T a coach".

JRutledge · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 12:07pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bossref
I know how this official operates
as I have known him for over 20 years.

This is not the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 100th time
that Libbey has been quick to T a coach.

IMHO he took the game away from the players.

He considers himself to be bullet proof as he has
aligned himself with enough assignors that
they overlook many of his bad decisions,
because he is a friend and has been to the Final Four.

Being a friend and/or having worked "big time" games does NOT make you right all the time.

Ask his co-workers or former partners.

Maybe you'll come away with a different opinion.

I am glad to see that you have an opinion. But since you are a ref, why come here and call out a fellow official, when none of us where there? You are giving what seems to be a one sided account of the situation. Did it ever occur to you, your opinion could be wrong? Or your opinion is not held by most? If I search hard enough, anyone can find someone that has something bad to say about another person/official. So at least I will take your opinion as just that, and we can move on now.

Peace

Adam · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 12:13pm

Looks to me like an axe is being ground. This is a varied forum, but not the place for disparaging other officials. Take it up with him yourself, or let it go.

zebraman · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 12:30pm

bossref,

You sound like a fan. As in fanatic who got carried away with the emotion of a game.

You also sound like someone who feels that the only way to make it to the top is to kiss butt (I think you called it "aligning").

You also criticized an official on a public ref forum when you really have no clue of what led up to the T.

Emotional, full of excuses and critical. IMHO, it sounds like it's you that isn't really the "right stuff" to be a ref rather than the official you vented about.

Z

Jurassic Referee · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 12:47pm

As usual ,the only two people who really know what happened are probably the "T"er and the "T"ee.

Here's the story:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...4sullivan.html

CLAY · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 01:48pm

Bossref,

Be careful who you call arrogant,egotistical S.O.B. in this forum. 98% of the guys in here will take it personally.

Adam · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Dec 05, 2003, 02:15pm

Thanks for the link, JR. I particularly liked this quote: "You have to ask him, and I know he won't talk to you," Holland said. "But you have to ask him where that's coming from. I didn't swear at him. I didn't do anything. All I said was, 'Dave, that was a foul,' and it was."

Easy to get into a debate in public with a guy who you know is going to refuse interviews. A guy that you know will, on principal, not defend himself in public.