Rec game screw up
Rec game with high school aged players playing FED rules in which I was behind the plate.
Bases loaded, no outs. Batter hits a deep shot to left that looks like is going to toast the left fielder. All runners freeze momentarily to make sure its going over the leftfielder's head, but then take off running. However, the LFer manages to run the ball down, and with his back to the infield, goes to his knees to make the apparent catch. Base coaches and fans all yell, "Get back!" to the runners, and they all retreat, none of which had yet to touch the next base. As they start running back, the LFer had crumpled from his knees to flat on the ground, and the ball trickles out of his glove. Both me and my partner make the safe signal for the no catch, but runners are still retreating. Coaches figure out what is going on, and send the runners. The defense manages to relay the ball home and get R3 out on a force at home. F2 throws to third base, but R2 beats the throw there. Here's my screw up. While watching this, the third base coach screams my direction, "Get back to first! He dropped it!" I look to my right, and trotting down the first base line is the batter heading back to the third base side dugout! F5 throws the ball back home, but the batter is now sprinting to first. F2 throws to F3 to tag the batter out, but this allowed R2 to score. I should have called the batter out for abandonment immediately. R2's run gave the visiting team a 3-2 lead in the top of the last inning. Fortunately, the home team won it in the bottom half of the inning, but I still screwed up nonetheless. Gotta love rec ball! |
1. Make sure that you verbalize "No catch!" and don't merely signal it. You should not both have made a call -- only one umpire has the ball (I can't tell which from your description, as it depends on how the F7 was moving).
2. A more vigorous call on the catch/no catch would have prevented some of the other follies. 3. The BR is not out for abandonment until he enters the dugout (NFHS) or leaves the dirt circle (OBR). In any case, you should never call abandonment during a live-ball play like this: no rule determines the route the BR must take on his way to 1B (well, within some limits). You were correct NOT to call an out for abandonment. |
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As for abandonment, he should have been called out immediately. The rule you are referencing is for a batter-runner who has yet to touch first base. According to FED rule 8-4-2p: Any runner is out when he, after at least touching first base, leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base. I guess I didn't say whether or not he had actually made it to first. |
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I agree with Byron however, are you going to tell us if he made it to first before allegedly abandoning the base or not?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:
You people need to get the word "abandonment" out of your vocabularies because very few of you know what abandonment really means and how to deal with it. Too many of you think it is a "catch all" call. |
Can't tell from Op if Batter made it to 1b, but it not it is desertion, not abandonement if he enters the dugout in a FED game.
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Okay, can someone tell me a situation when 8-4-2p applies?
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But I'm not calling it during live ball action. |
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It takes something WAY out of the ordinary to invoke this rule. |
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Ball is foul, verbalize with mechanic...everyone stops .... ball is fair......mechanic, everyone keeps going because they didnt hear anything. Ball is caught, verbalize with mechanic, Ball is not caught, safe mechanic.... |
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