Jose Offerman punches Ump

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

How do you go down from that?

He didn't even land it.

Unforgivable, but still a phantom punch. And I can't understand a word they're saying.

I think he lost his balance. Offerman threw a punch, though, so whether it landed or not is really not important. What a tool.

[JJ]

If a player, coach, or fan takes a swipe at me and even TOUCHES me, I'm going down. And I'm staying down until the ambulance arrives. He will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. There's no place is sports for assaulting officials, and going down certainly magnifies how serious the situation is.

JJ

[batboy22]

Every league around the world needs to ban him from any form of participation.

[jicecone]

I am in full agreement with all however this is NOT how you diffuse a situation, by locking you amrs together and trying to get into a butting contest with the manager.

NOT HANDLED WELL. He took a bad situation and made it worse.

No, it does not justify the HC's action but it is a perfect example on how NOT to handle a situation, way too aggressive.

[Cub42]

Originally Posted by jicecone

I am in full agreement with all however this is NOT how you diffuse a situation, by locking you amrs together and trying to get into a butting contest with the manager.

NOT HANDLED WELL. He took a bad situation and made it worse.

No, it does not justify the HC's action but it is a perfect example on how NOT to handle a situation, way too aggressive.

I would like to hear the proper way to handle that situation, please

[batboy22]

Especially, since you probably know all the details.

[Cub42]

I saw the same video as everyone else BB22. It was stated that the umpire should not have crossed his arms like that and was way too aggressive. I just wanted to see what the proper way to handle that was

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by jicecone

I am in full agreement with all however this is NOT how you diffuse a situation, by locking you amrs together and trying to get into a butting contest with the manager.

NOT HANDLED WELL. He took a bad situation and made it worse.

No, it does not justify the HC's action but it is a perfect example on how NOT to handle a situation, way too aggressive.

You have no idea what may have been going on between Offerman and the umpires throughout the Dominican League playoffs, or throughout the winter league season. Reyburn (I'm guessing here) was the crew chief as he has several years at AAA, and was stepping in as a crew chief (or senior umpire) should, to help out Bradley, who just completed his first year at AAA. Also, keep in mind that winter ball in the Caribbean is a whole different animal that pro ball here in the states. You can take my word for this, or you can ask any past or present MiLB umpire who's worked down there.
So go easy here, and don't be so quick to be critical of how Reyburn handled himself.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

You have no idea what may have been going on between Offerman and the umpires throughout the Dominican League playoffs, or throughout the winter league season. Reyburn (I'm guessing here) was the crew chief as he has several years at AAA, and was stepping in as a crew chief (or senior umpire) should, to help out Bradley, who just completed his first year at AAA. Also, keep in mind that winter ball in the Caribbean is a whole different animal that pro ball here in the states. You can take my word for this, or you can ask any past or present MiLB umpire who's worked down there.
So go easy here, and don't be so quick to be critical of how Reyburn handled himself.

Well, I don't have a grasp of winter ball in the Dominican. Nor, I'm certain, do very many of us.

However, a person in a position of authority over anything should not act in a way that is inflammatory in an already tense situation, and that's what that guy did. He had the authority, and he overstepped.

I'm from suburban L.A. We know all about out-of-control authority and guys who constantly overstep theirs. We have two large groups of those guys. One's called the LAPD, and the other's called the L.A. County Sheriffs.

[Cub42]

Well put Ump153

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Offerman threw a punch, though, so whether it landed or not is really not important.

Agreed, obviously. (Thus my use of the word unforgivable)

Originally Posted by batboy22

Every league around the world needs to ban him from any form of participation.

Touché!

Couldn't be better stated.

Originally Posted by jicecone

I am in full agreement with all however this is NOT how you diffuse a situation, by locking you arms together and trying to get into a butting contest with the manager.

NOT HANDLED WELL. He took a bad situation and made it worse.

No, it does not justify the HC's action but it is a perfect example on how NOT to handle a situation, way too aggressive.

Absolutely!! This guy caused this circus. A player or a coach or a manager must have his fire put out, not fueled by the umpire. Horrible job. H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E.

Again, of course, Offerman's [or anyone's] throwing of a punch at an umpire is unforgivable.

Originally Posted by JJ

If a player, coach, or fan takes a swipe at me and even TOUCHES me, I'm going down. And I'm staying down until the ambulance arrives. He will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. There's no place is sports for assaulting officials, and going down certainly magnifies how serious the situation is.

JJ

I would never go down in any situation that even resembled a brawl.

EVER!

The worst thing you could possibly do is go to the ground. You know the term, getting the $hit kicked out of you? That's how you get it done to you, by going down. You do everything humanly possible to stay up and move. Everything. Watch Ali again sometime, or Sugar Ray Leonard. The main focus is to make 'em miss and move away.

It's more important to avoid cracked ribs or a shattered jaw or a skull fracture than to exaggerate the impact of a minor blow so that the eventual punishment to your attacker is worse. That's a horrible instinct. Get over that fast.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

The worst thing you could possibly do is go to the ground. You know the term, getting the $hit kicked out of you? That's how you get it done to you, by going down. You do everything humanly possible to stay up and move. Everything. Watch Ali again sometime, or Sugar Ray Leonard. The main focus is to make 'em miss and move away.

It's more important to avoid cracked ribs or a shattered jaw or a skull fracture than to exaggerate the impact of a minor blow so that the eventual punishment to your attacker is worse. That's a horrible instinct. Get over that fast.

From MY experience, which is NOT in the Dominican Republic, I stand by my option to "go down and stay down". In 30+ years I've had my share of brawls to deal with, and have never been physically threatened where my safety was an issue (one of the benefits of living in the Midwest, I guess). In my judgement folks would be horrified seeing an umpire get knocked down, and that act would NOT escalate things. It would, however, yield much harsher penalties for the offender.

JJ

[Ump153]

This one shows the ejection and that Jose DID make contact with the punch and that he moved to try to strike DJ while he was on the ground.

What a douche.

YouTube - Paulino expulsado antes del trompon de jose offerman

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by Ump153

This one shows the ejection and that Jose DID make contact with the punch and that he moved to try to strike DJ while he was on the ground.

What a douche.

YouTube - Paulino expulsado antes del trompon de jose offerman

Do I hear at the end of the clip (around 0:37) the announcers saying "Mother Phoeking"?