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[tcarilli]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I would agree. If You are going to dump Blake, do it while he is on the field. But to do it from where he did it with Blake in the dugout made the umpire look ridiculous.

Is it OK to mock an umpire as long as the player does it in the dugout? At 1:09 to 1:13 on the video one can see what Blake did to get tossed; he yelled at Gibson and mocked his punch-out mechanic. So, if a player openly mocks you (essentially to your face since it appears that he made sure Gibson was looking at him) as long as only his dugout, the other dugout, and the fans facing the dugout can see it; you let it go?

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by tcarilli

Is it OK to mock an umpire as long as the player does it in the dugout? At 1:09 to 1:13 on the video one can see what Blake did to get tossed; he yelled at Gibson and mocked his punch-out mechanic. So, if a player openly mocks you (essentially to your face since it appears that he made sure Gibson was looking at him) as long as only his dugout, the other dugout, and the fans facing the dugout can see it; you let it go?

You are basing this on responses from those who are coaches first, umpires second.

I'll eject them if they are on the field or in the dugout where they feel like it is a safety zone. I have done it and will continue if some player wants to yell at me from the dugout. Too many have this idea in their head that it looks bad if the umpire tosses someone while that person is not in their face yelling at them.

If he is not man enough to say it to my face, why should I let him be coward enough to say it with his back to me or from his dugout?

Good EJ IMO.

[tcarilli]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

You are basing this on responses from those who are coaches first, umpires second.

No, I don't think so. I am asking a question. Two posters claimed it was a weak ejection; so, I am asking if it is OK to mock an umpire under those circumstances. I am interested in exploring the circumstances under which it is and is not OK to mock an umpire.

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

You are basing this on responses from those who are coaches first, umpires second.

Coaches first, umpires second? Thanks for the open insult to my/our integrity. I'm not permanently biased toward anything. That was a weak ejection from the standpoint of an umpire and only the standpoint of an umpire.

And if an umpire is an adversary of coaches, and has the scornful attitude that some have toward most or all coaches, perhaps they need to take a look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I'll eject them if they are on the field or in the dugout where they feel like it is a safety zone. I have done it and will continue if some player wants to yell at me from the dugout. Too many have this idea in their head that it looks bad if the umpire tosses someone while that person is not in their face yelling at them.

If he is not man enough to say it to my face, why should I let him be coward enough to say it with his back to me or from his dugout?

Good EJ IMO.

Man enough?? You need to show thicker skin. If one guy goes back to the dugout, and gives it for 30 seconds or so, you let it go. He didn't throw his bat, and he didn't even look back at you on the way to the dugout. Let him boil until he runs out of steam, and then keep doing your job rather than over-doing it.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

...from the standpoint of an umpire and only the standpoint of an umpire.

Then, if this is true, you would agree that the EJ was warranted and earned. Nothing weak about it. What would have been weak would be not to eject at all. That would have been weak on Gibson's part, allowing a player to mouth off like that. And, obviously someone was watching b/c it was caught on tape. So, someone saw Blake mouthing off about the call.

So, where do you draw the line at someone yelling at you on the field? In your face yelling at you? Their back is to you? Before they get into the dugout? When they have their back to you in the dugout calling you anything and everything under the sun?

Just wondering where you draw the line and stop considering your EJ of someone as justified and becomes weak.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Man enough?? You need to show thicker skin. If one guy goes back to the dugout, and gives it for 30 seconds or so, you let it go.

So, you will allow the chirping at you about "balls and strikes" or a play which happened 2 innings ago. Just as long as they do it from the dugout.

30 seconds of yelling at you about a play? You allow that much before you will consider anything?

That is not having thicker skin. That is being weak in front of everyone on the field, including your partner.

Coach first, umpire second. Take it as what you want. Insult? Well, you should have thicker skin then.

[tcarilli]

Why must damn near everything turn into a pissing contest here? From the video it appears as if Blake said nothing that would get him ejected..."that's bull$hit!, etc." He did, however, openly mock Gibson by mocking his mechanic. So...the question remains on the table: Is it OK to openly mock an umpire from the dugout as long as only his dugout, the other dugout, and the fans facing the dugout can see it?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by tcarilli

So...the question remains on the table: Is it OK to openly mock an umpire from the dugout as long as only his dugout, the other dugout, and the fans facing the dugout can see it?

So...the answer remains: No.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Coaches first, umpires second? Thanks for the open insult to my/our integrity. I'm not permanently biased toward anything. That was a weak ejection from the standpoint of an umpire and only the standpoint of an umpire.

And if an umpire is an adversary of coaches, and has the scornful attitude that some have toward most or all coaches, perhaps they need to take a look in the mirror.

Man enough?? You need to show thicker skin. If one guy goes back to the dugout, and gives it for 30 seconds or so, you let it go. He didn't throw his bat, and he didn't even look back at you on the way to the dugout. Let him boil until he runs out of steam, and then keep doing your job rather than over-doing it.

I don't usually disagree with you, but in this case I must. Gibson, or any other umpire worth his shin guards, needs to take care of business when openly mocked or ridiculed by a player or coach, no matter whether they are in the dugout or on the field. I don't care if the player goes back into the dugout and takes a bat to the Gatorade jug, or breaks equipment that belongs to the team. That's the manager's problem. But when he stands at the dugout openly taunting and gesturing at me, then we have a problem. And if he is not part of the solution, then he is the problem and must go away.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

You are basing this on responses from those who are coaches first, umpires second.

I have officiated many sports for 20+ years (baseball for 15+) and heave helped coach a 9 and 10 yr old baseball team for a few months.

You base your baseless snide opinion of me on one incident with one lump of carbon getting paid to be an umpire.

Those that know me personally and those that know you personally have one thing in common-both groups know you are full of crap.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I have officiated many sports for 20+ years (baseball for 15+) and heave helped coach a 9 and 10 yr old baseball team for a few months.

You base your baseless snide opinion of me on one incident with one lump of carbon getting paid to be an umpire.

Those that know me personally and those that know you personally have one thing in common-both groups know you are full of crap.

Oh, I guess I need to grow that thick skin that Kevin eluded to.

You are protecting Blake's actions simply b/c he wasn't on the field. That is a weak excuse to not eject and that is just weak. Passing an EJ is weak. The actual EJ is doing one's job. Gibson did his job.

So, where do you draw the line?

I based it on many posts I have seen from you and Kevin. So, I stand by my assessment. Prove me wrong. Was Blake's EJ justified, warranted, and carried out properly based on what he had to work with[The Rat waited until he got into the dugout to do his antics towards the umpire]?

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by tcarilli

Is it OK to mock an umpire as long as the player does it in the dugout? At 1:09 to 1:13 on the video one can see what Blake did to get tossed; he yelled at Gibson and mocked his punch-out mechanic. So, if a player openly mocks you (essentially to your face since it appears that he made sure Gibson was looking at him) as long as only his dugout, the other dugout, and the fans facing the dugout can see it; you let it go?

My point was is that if you are going to toss him, toss him while he is on the field.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

My point was is that if you are going to toss him, toss him while he is on the field.

But, if he is going to wait until he gets to the dugout to mock you or start calling you everything under the sun, are you going to wait until one of his feet are on the field?

Again, if he is not man enough to do it on the field, why am I going to let him be coward enough to do it in the dugout?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

My point was is that if you are going to toss him, toss him while he is on the field.

That works if he does anything on the field that would warrant him being tossed but I'm not going to pass on an ejection just because the ejectee is in the dugout.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by Welpe

That works if he does anything on the field that would warrant him being tossed but I'm not going to pass on an ejection just because the ejectee is in the dugout.

I watched the video again. I originally did not notice what Blake did as a mock of Gibson's puchout-I guess it probably was. I could see dumping him for that. However, if that is all he did, some guys would let it slide and be able to live happy and normal lives.

Someone else mentioned a possible history with those two. If there is, then who knows what was really going on.