Mil @ LA Mota ejection-Vin has the call

[Kevin Finnerty]

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

You are basing this on responses from those who are coaches first, umpires second.

Coaches first, umpires second? Thanks for the open insult to my/our integrity. I'm not permanently biased toward anything. That was a weak ejection from the standpoint of an umpire and only the standpoint of an umpire.

And if an umpire is an adversary of coaches, and has the scornful attitude that some have toward most or all coaches, perhaps they need to take a look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by GA Umpire

I'll eject them if they are on the field or in the dugout where they feel like it is a safety zone. I have done it and will continue if some player wants to yell at me from the dugout. Too many have this idea in their head that it looks bad if the umpire tosses someone while that person is not in their face yelling at them.

If he is not man enough to say it to my face, why should I let him be coward enough to say it with his back to me or from his dugout?

Good EJ IMO.

Man enough?? You need to show thicker skin. If one guy goes back to the dugout, and gives it for 30 seconds or so, you let it go. He didn't throw his bat, and he didn't even look back at you on the way to the dugout. Let him boil until he runs out of steam, and then keep doing your job rather than over-doing it.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

...from the standpoint of an umpire and only the standpoint of an umpire.

Then, if this is true, you would agree that the EJ was warranted and earned. Nothing weak about it. What would have been weak would be not to eject at all. That would have been weak on Gibson's part, allowing a player to mouth off like that. And, obviously someone was watching b/c it was caught on tape. So, someone saw Blake mouthing off about the call.

So, where do you draw the line at someone yelling at you on the field? In your face yelling at you? Their back is to you? Before they get into the dugout? When they have their back to you in the dugout calling you anything and everything under the sun?

Just wondering where you draw the line and stop considering your EJ of someone as justified and becomes weak.

[GA Umpire]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Man enough?? You need to show thicker skin. If one guy goes back to the dugout, and gives it for 30 seconds or so, you let it go.

So, you will allow the chirping at you about "balls and strikes" or a play which happened 2 innings ago. Just as long as they do it from the dugout.

30 seconds of yelling at you about a play? You allow that much before you will consider anything?

That is not having thicker skin. That is being weak in front of everyone on the field, including your partner.

Coach first, umpire second. Take it as what you want. Insult? Well, you should have thicker skin then.

[tcarilli]

Why must damn near everything turn into a pissing contest here? From the video it appears as if Blake said nothing that would get him ejected..."that's bull$hit!, etc." He did, however, openly mock Gibson by mocking his mechanic. So...the question remains on the table: Is it OK to openly mock an umpire from the dugout as long as only his dugout, the other dugout, and the fans facing the dugout can see it?

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by tcarilli

So...the question remains on the table: Is it OK to openly mock an umpire from the dugout as long as only his dugout, the other dugout, and the fans facing the dugout can see it?

So...the answer remains: No.

[SanDiegoSteve]

Originally Posted by Kevin Finnerty

Coaches first, umpires second? Thanks for the open insult to my/our integrity. I'm not permanently biased toward anything. That was a weak ejection from the standpoint of an umpire and only the standpoint of an umpire.

And if an umpire is an adversary of coaches, and has the scornful attitude that some have toward most or all coaches, perhaps they need to take a look in the mirror.

Man enough?? You need to show thicker skin. If one guy goes back to the dugout, and gives it for 30 seconds or so, you let it go. He didn't throw his bat, and he didn't even look back at you on the way to the dugout. Let him boil until he runs out of steam, and then keep doing your job rather than over-doing it.

I don't usually disagree with you, but in this case I must. Gibson, or any other umpire worth his shin guards, needs to take care of business when openly mocked or ridiculed by a player or coach, no matter whether they are in the dugout or on the field. I don't care if the player goes back into the dugout and takes a bat to the Gatorade jug, or breaks equipment that belongs to the team. That's the manager's problem. But when he stands at the dugout openly taunting and gesturing at me, then we have a problem. And if he is not part of the solution, then he is the problem and must go away.