Fed Jewelry Rule Issue

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

As I said I have no tolerance for it. In my judgment it is dangerous.

Are you the type to make a player remove a wedding band?

I have little tolerance for people who .......nevermind, not worth the keystrokes.

If the jewelry is not, IMJ a danger to another, I don't consider it dangerous, period. If people want to wear something which would be dangerous to themselves, and only themselves, I really don't care.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Are you the type to make a player remove a wedding band?

I have little tolerance for people who .......nevermind, not worth the keystrokes.

If the jewelry is not, IMJ a danger to another, I don't consider it dangerous, period. If people want to wear something which would be dangerous to themselves, and only themselves, I really don't care.

I agree. If the player and/or parents (of youth) deem it OK - who am I to disagree. However, Mike, not all sanctioning bodies see it that way. So, what I see kinda depends on what rules we're using.

Unlike some, I do not remind folks, in a scholastic game, at a plate meeting to remove jewelry. The players certainly know what rules are being used and so do their coaches.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Are you the type to make a player remove a wedding band?

I have little tolerance for people who .......nevermind, not worth the keystrokes.

If the jewelry is not, IMJ a danger to another, I don't consider it dangerous, period. If people want to wear something which would be dangerous to themselves, and only themselves, I really don't care.

Actually it's a standing joke that they can wear a wedding ring if their parents allowed them to get married.

Our State interpreter has instructed us to keep jewelry off the field (fed) other than what is permitted by rule. As far as ASA I only allow adult players to wear jewelry other than hoop earring.

As I said earlier I do not want to get sued. and remember I am in California where parents will sue you for any thing they can.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

As I said earlier I do not want to get sued. and remember I am in California where parents will sue you for anything they can.

Playing devil's advocate here, and speaking ASA , if you require a player to remove ,say little diamond studs, and she rips her earlobes, her lobes get infected, then a staph infection from the emergency room sets in....well couldn't her parents sue you for the judgement and decisions you made that set this all in motion.

Not saying the case is a winner..

Life is a wee bit short for myself to worry all the time about what if's.

Buy the extra ASA insurance, buy an umbrella policy, and short of doing something really stupid, you'll be financially covered.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Playing devil's advocate here, and speaking ASA , if you require a player to remove ,say little diamond studs, and she rips her earlobes, her lobes get infected, then a staph infection from the emergency room sets in....well couldn't her parents sue you for the judgement and decisions you made that set this all in motion.

Not saying the case is a winner..

Life is a wee bit short for myself to worry all the time about what if's.

Buy the extra ASA insurance, buy an umbrella policy, and short of doing something really stupid, you'll be financially covered.

I am very well covered insurance wise Full ASA and Naso due to working multiple Sports and levels. You only need to see one kid get hurt do to Jewelry to understand why I advocate no no Jewelry for kids sports.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Playing devil's advocate here, and speaking ASA , if you require a player to remove ,say little diamond studs, and she rips her earlobes, her lobes get infected, then a staph infection from the emergency room sets in....well couldn't her parents sue you for the judgement and decisions you made that set this all in motion.

Not saying the case is a winner..

Life is a wee bit short for myself to worry all the time about what if's.

Buy the extra ASA insurance, buy an umbrella policy, and short of doing something really stupid, you'll be financially covered.

And that is why YOU don't require a player to remove anything. You simply tell the coach that the player cannot play with it (whatever "IT" is, in your judgment), and put it back on the coach to make the decision if she plays (without that item) or watches (with the item).

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

And that is why YOU don't require a player to remove anything. You simply tell the coach that the player cannot play with it (whatever "IT" is, in your judgment), and put it back on the coach to make the decision if she plays (without that item) or watches (with the item).

A point that seems very hard to get across to even experienced umpires.

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

And that is why YOU don't require a player to remove anything. You simply tell the coach that the player cannot play with it (whatever "IT" is, in your judgment), and put it back on the coach to make the decision if she plays (without that item) or watches (with the item).

Not only that, don't tell them they have to take the bandages off their ears to show you that they are not wearing the dreaded jewelry..

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

Not only that, don't tell them they have to take the bandages off their ears to show you that they are not wearing the dreaded jewelry..

Let's not forget about checking for studs or jewelry in other body parts. I'm sure that would go over big

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Let's not forget about checking for studs or jewelry in other body parts. I'm sure that would go over big

Whats funny is I have had some players ask if that means they have to take off other piercings.

My answer is I do not allow Jewelry and if it is visible it must come off.

As for Taped or Bandaged Ears this year for HS we where told to verify that they do not have earrings on under it. I found that to be strange as it goes against what we have been told for the past few years.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

And that is why YOU don't require a player to remove anything. You simply tell the coach that the player cannot play with it (whatever "IT" is, in your judgment), and put it back on the coach to make the decision if she plays (without that item) or watches (with the item).

I'm with you. I was taught this one by the basketball guys.

I have worked with an "inspector" this year in HS ball.

Borderline creepy.

[marvin]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Did coach tell you he was removing her from the game? No. She was obviously trying to address the issue of jewelry.

Like in the other thread - YOU do not decide when a player is in or out of the game (except, of course, an ejection). When she could not come to bat because she was not properly equipped, you rule a penalty strike. 3 of those and THEN she's out, but she's not removed from the game.

Then you don't have the problem of letting her back into the game - she was never out of the game.

If the player is still in the game, but not on the field, then wouldn't every pitch by that team's pitcher be illegal?

I would do the same as the OP. In the absence of any rule reference that states that the the player can not return. I would allow the re-entry once the player was in compliance with the rule.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

Actually it's a standing joke that they can wear a wedding ring if their parents allowed them to get married.

So, you do have some tolerance for jewelry, but only for married individuals?

Our State interpreter has instructed us to keep jewelry off the field (fed) other than what is permitted by rule.

And that is fine, it is their rule and if I work Fed ball, I apply Fed rules.

As far as ASA I only allow adult players to wear jewelry other than hoop earring.

So a watch is okay? How about a ring with a protruding rock? Why do you give a damn about hoop earrings? Who are they going to hurt other than the wearer?

Pretty inconsistent here.

As I said earlier I do not want to get sued. and remember I am in California where parents will sue you for any thing they can.

You can be sued over anything, doesn't make it valid. And they can try to get blood out of a rock all day, isn't going to help.

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Playing devil's advocate here, and speaking ASA , if you require a player to remove ,say little diamond studs, and she rips her earlobes, her lobes get infected, then a staph infection from the emergency room sets in....well couldn't her parents sue you for the judgement and decisions you made that set this all in motion.

Actually, the possibility of infection and/or piercings closing during a prescribed time following the procedure is often the excuse a player & mother (rarely father ) offer for keeping the stud in place. I love it when the coach almost seems embarrassed when the subject comes up, but s/he puts her in the line-up anyway.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

So a watch is okay? How about a ring with a protruding rock? Why do you give a damn about hoop earrings? Who are they going to hurt other than the wearer?

Pretty inconsistent here.

No actually watches do come off. The teams in my area know that when I am working the game take them off.

When I say why I want it removed (for their safety) they thank me.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

When I say why I want it removed (for their safety) they thank me.

rubbish. They remove the watch so they don't damage it and have to get another one. Then again, so few people wear watches than before, it is rarely an issue.