Fed Jewelry Rule Issue

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

When working ASA or other codes I let the coaches know that no player can take the field with jewelry.

I don't have my ASA rule book handy. But does it really say no player can take the field with jewelry? I've done a couple of nationals where the UIC said jewelry wasn't an issue as long as it wasn't loose, like hoop earrings.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I don't have my ASA rule book handy. But does it really say no player can take the field with jewelry? I've done a couple of nationals where the UIC said jewelry wasn't an issue as long as it wasn't loose, like hoop earrings.

In ASA, it is umpire judgment about danger. If judged dangerous, not allowed. PONY and USSSA go with NFHS version.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

In ASA, it is umpire judgment about danger. If judged dangerous, not allowed. PONY and USSSA go with NFHS version.

This is NOT the interpretation for PONY. The "judged dangerous" portion of the rule is applicable to the entire rule, not just to "any other items."

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I don't have my ASA rule book handy. But does it really say no player can take the field with jewelry? I've done a couple of nationals where the UIC said jewelry wasn't an issue as long as it wasn't loose, like hoop earrings.

As I said I have no tolerance for it. In my judgment it is dangerous.

[ASA Ump MN]

I don't have my ASA rule book handy.

R-3 S-6

All protective equipment should be worn properly. If a
player is requested by the umpire to remove jewelry, illegal shoes or illegal parts
of the uniform and they refuse, the player will not be allowed to play.

F. JEWELRY: Exposed jewelry, which is judged by the umpire to be dangerous,
must be removed and may not be worn during the game. Medical alert
bracelets or necklaces are not considered jewelry. If worn, they must be
taped to the body so the medical alert information remains visible.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by Rich

I really don't think this is the kind of thing that should be a personal decision -- it should be agreed to by the umpires groups in the area.

Having you make players take it all off while another umpire doesn't just leads to people thinking that we're all arbitrary and capricious in nature.

ASA rule 3-6-f makes it decision when I am working a game.

Exposed Jewelry judged dangerous by umpire must be removed and may not be worn during the game. Religious or medical alert bracelets may be worn but must be taped to the body.

I have worked games with many an Umpire who does not care if they wear Jewelry but when we work together and they are on the plate they will let the Coaches know that they will not wear jewelry in this game.

No UIC will ever override the decision as it is solely up to the umpires that are working that game.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

As I said I have no tolerance for it. In my judgment it is dangerous.

Are you the type to make a player remove a wedding band?

I have little tolerance for people who .......nevermind, not worth the keystrokes.

If the jewelry is not, IMJ a danger to another, I don't consider it dangerous, period. If people want to wear something which would be dangerous to themselves, and only themselves, I really don't care.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Are you the type to make a player remove a wedding band?

I have little tolerance for people who .......nevermind, not worth the keystrokes.

If the jewelry is not, IMJ a danger to another, I don't consider it dangerous, period. If people want to wear something which would be dangerous to themselves, and only themselves, I really don't care.

I agree. If the player and/or parents (of youth) deem it OK - who am I to disagree. However, Mike, not all sanctioning bodies see it that way. So, what I see kinda depends on what rules we're using.

Unlike some, I do not remind folks, in a scholastic game, at a plate meeting to remove jewelry. The players certainly know what rules are being used and so do their coaches.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Are you the type to make a player remove a wedding band?

I have little tolerance for people who .......nevermind, not worth the keystrokes.

If the jewelry is not, IMJ a danger to another, I don't consider it dangerous, period. If people want to wear something which would be dangerous to themselves, and only themselves, I really don't care.

Actually it's a standing joke that they can wear a wedding ring if their parents allowed them to get married.

Our State interpreter has instructed us to keep jewelry off the field (fed) other than what is permitted by rule. As far as ASA I only allow adult players to wear jewelry other than hoop earring.

As I said earlier I do not want to get sued. and remember I am in California where parents will sue you for any thing they can.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Insane Blue

As I said earlier I do not want to get sued. and remember I am in California where parents will sue you for anything they can.

Playing devil's advocate here, and speaking ASA , if you require a player to remove ,say little diamond studs, and she rips her earlobes, her lobes get infected, then a staph infection from the emergency room sets in....well couldn't her parents sue you for the judgement and decisions you made that set this all in motion.

Not saying the case is a winner..

Life is a wee bit short for myself to worry all the time about what if's.

Buy the extra ASA insurance, buy an umbrella policy, and short of doing something really stupid, you'll be financially covered.

[Insane Blue]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Playing devil's advocate here, and speaking ASA , if you require a player to remove ,say little diamond studs, and she rips her earlobes, her lobes get infected, then a staph infection from the emergency room sets in....well couldn't her parents sue you for the judgement and decisions you made that set this all in motion.

Not saying the case is a winner..

Life is a wee bit short for myself to worry all the time about what if's.

Buy the extra ASA insurance, buy an umbrella policy, and short of doing something really stupid, you'll be financially covered.

I am very well covered insurance wise Full ASA and Naso due to working multiple Sports and levels. You only need to see one kid get hurt do to Jewelry to understand why I advocate no no Jewelry for kids sports.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Playing devil's advocate here, and speaking ASA , if you require a player to remove ,say little diamond studs, and she rips her earlobes, her lobes get infected, then a staph infection from the emergency room sets in....well couldn't her parents sue you for the judgement and decisions you made that set this all in motion.

Not saying the case is a winner..

Life is a wee bit short for myself to worry all the time about what if's.

Buy the extra ASA insurance, buy an umbrella policy, and short of doing something really stupid, you'll be financially covered.

And that is why YOU don't require a player to remove anything. You simply tell the coach that the player cannot play with it (whatever "IT" is, in your judgment), and put it back on the coach to make the decision if she plays (without that item) or watches (with the item).

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

And that is why YOU don't require a player to remove anything. You simply tell the coach that the player cannot play with it (whatever "IT" is, in your judgment), and put it back on the coach to make the decision if she plays (without that item) or watches (with the item).

A point that seems very hard to get across to even experienced umpires.

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

And that is why YOU don't require a player to remove anything. You simply tell the coach that the player cannot play with it (whatever "IT" is, in your judgment), and put it back on the coach to make the decision if she plays (without that item) or watches (with the item).

Not only that, don't tell them they have to take the bandages off their ears to show you that they are not wearing the dreaded jewelry..

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

And that is why YOU don't require a player to remove anything. You simply tell the coach that the player cannot play with it (whatever "IT" is, in your judgment), and put it back on the coach to make the decision if she plays (without that item) or watches (with the item).

I'm with you. I was taught this one by the basketball guys.

I have worked with an "inspector" this year in HS ball.

Borderline creepy.