PONY/ASA rule questions

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MikeZ

If the ball is hit and bounces off the pitching rubber and rolls fouls (before 1st or 3rd). Is this fair or foul?
Foul

Does it matter if the rubber is 40' or 43'?

Why would it ?

What about if it hits 2nd base then rolls foul (although unlikely)?


Thanks!

All of the above are about non-touched.

[MikeZ]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

All of the above are about non-touched.

Yes, all non touched. The part about 40' vs 43' feet was asked since a local varsity coach was telling me that there is a imaginary line drawn between 1st and 3rd. With a 40' rubber it is in front of the line and 43' is behind this line. He said if it hit the 43' rubber it is fair but 40' it is foul (if they both roll foul untouched). I didn't think he was correct, but can't find a rule to show him.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by MikeZ

Yes, all non touched. The part about 40' vs 43' feet was asked since a local varsity coach was telling me that there is a imaginary line drawn between 1st and 3rd. With a 40' rubber it is in front of the line and 43' is behind this line. He said if it hit the 43' rubber it is fair but 40' it is foul (if they both roll foul untouched). I didn't think he was correct, but can't find a rule to show him.

Well, there's a reason why you can't find a rule to show him...

The whole "imaginary line between first and third" thing is a ruling unique to FED baseball. It doesn't apply to softball so, of course, there is no mention of it in the softball rule book.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Well, there's a reason why you can't find a rule to show him...

The whole "imaginary line between first and third" thing is a ruling unique to FED baseball. It doesn't apply to softball so, of course, there is no mention of it in the softball rule book.

Not Fed. OBR. (And NCAA too, I think).

Seems to me Dixie softball ruled this way too, but I've not worked that in 14 years, and will never again, so I've not bothered keeping up with any changes.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not Fed.

Yes, FED!

(NFHS Baseball) 2-5-1b: A fair ball is a batted ball which...contacts fair ground on or beyond an imaginary line between first and third base.

For OBR and NCAA baseball, "beyond the bases" is defined as being past the direct line between first, second, third- same as NFHS softball.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Yes, FED!

(NFHS Baseball) 2-5-1b: A fair ball is a batted ball which...contacts fair ground on or beyond an imaginary line between first and third base.

For OBR and NCAA baseball, "beyond the bases" is defined as being past the direct line between first, second, third- same as NFHS softball.

If memory serves correctly, at one time NFHS softball was the same as baseball, but changed a while back.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If memory serves correctly, at one time NFHS softball was the same as baseball, but changed a while back.

Yes, NFHS Softball used to use the string theory for fair/foul, but changed. Unlike baseball, it simply said it is a fair ball if the batted ball first landed beyond first or third base, and NFHS people applied the baseball ruling. The only way to get (sometimes baseball) umpires to address the softball rule was to change the wording.

Similar with the interpretation most apply to when a catcher needs to wear a mask. Softball (all versions) says any time warming up a pitcher; but most people choose to ignore if warming up a pitcher and standing up. I submit that if that was what softball wanted, it would say what baseball says, that the catcher must wear a mask when squatting to assume a catching position.

I know I can't figure out how it is warming up if the catcher is squatting, but not warming up if standing; either way, the pitcher is being warmed up. But, I also know that will not change without adding more specific language to the rule; just like happened in NFHS.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by MikeZ

Yes, all non touched. The part about 40' vs 43' feet was asked since a local varsity coach was telling me that there is a imaginary line drawn between 1st and 3rd. With a 40' rubber it is in front of the line and 43' is behind this line. He said if it hit the 43' rubber it is fair but 40' it is foul (if they both roll foul untouched). I didn't think he was correct, but can't find a rule to show him.

In FED there is no imaginary line that if the ball passes it it becomes fair. Look at rule 2-20, not going to type it word for word, but the ball has to touch 1st, 2nd or 3rd before going into foul territory to be considered a fair ball. Now look at the case play for 2-20. B1 hits a fly ball in the infield that falls untouched (b) behind the pitching circle, but just in front of second base. After hitting the ground, the ball continues to spin and rolls between home and first base and comes to rest in foul ground. RULING: (b) foul ball.

[MikeZ]

Originally Posted by rkbump

in fed there is no imaginary line that if the ball passes it it becomes fair. Look at rule 2-20, not going to type it word for word, but the ball has to touch 1st, 2nd or 3rd before going into foul territory to be considered a fair ball. Now look at the case play for 2-20. B1 hits a fly ball in the infield that falls untouched (b) behind the pitching circle, but just in front of second base. After hitting the ground, the ball continues to spin and rolls between home and first base and comes to rest in foul ground. Ruling: (b) foul ball.

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