PONY/ASA rule questions

[jmkupka]

I agree it's a harsh ruling Mike, but in PONY rulebook, that's actually the example play they use to describe the rule 7.3.e (play)

In the 2nd play,

The ASA equivalent of the PONY play described is actually 8.7.J.4, but even that allows for the runner to be called out only (not in a double play situation):
Ground ball to shortstop. R1, running from 2B, intentionally hits F6's arm as she attempts to throw to F3.
PONY 8.11.i: runner and batter/runner out.
ASA 8.7.J.4: runner out. The EXCEPTION only applies to an ordinary-effort fly ball, fair or foul.


I want to get this right. Thanks for your input

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

I agree it's a harsh ruling Mike, but in PONY rulebook, that's actually the example play they use to describe the rule 7.3.e (play)

That is a PONY issue. I specifically replied to ASA's ruling as you requested.

In the 2nd play,

The ASA equivalent of the PONY play described is actually 8.7.J.4, but even that allows for the runner to be called out only (not in a double play situation):
Ground ball to shortstop. R1, running from 2B, intentionally hits F6's arm as she attempts to throw to F3.
PONY 8.11.i: runner and batter/runner out.
ASA 8.7.J.4: runner out. The EXCEPTION only applies to an ordinary-effort fly ball, fair or foul.

Again, specifically you noted interfering with a fielder attempting to throw the ball which is specifically addressed in J.2 (2012 book). J.4 refers to a deflected batted ball.

I think you are talking about two different things. I only replied to the issue of INT with a fielder attempting to throw the ball.

If you are referencing the 2013 book, I'm not there yet.

[jmkupka]

Sorry Mike, thought I was looking at a new ASA pdf online; my J.4 pertains to a direct hit, not a deflected ball. Let me get my sub-sections straight so I can sound sensible.

[EsqUmp]

If you want a PONY ruling, listen to people involved with PONY.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If you are referencing the 2013 book, I'm not there yet.

If you are saying yours haven't been received, yet, I suggest you question up the chain of command. I received direct ship team books for my leagues 2+ weeks ago, and umpire books from our UIC almost 2 weeks ago.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

If you are saying yours haven't been received, yet, I suggest you question up the chain of command. I received direct ship team books for my leagues 2+ weeks ago, and umpire books from our UIC almost 2 weeks ago.

Already did. This are a little strange here at this point in time.