Use the Force?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The kicker here, and I believe the question was, would the appeal be a valid fourth out appeal and, in ASA, it is not.

But in that case, would it be a fourth out or a third out.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

But in that case, would it be a fourth out or a third out.

Only if the defense makes it clear that they are tagging the runner to appeal the miss of second base, and not because she's simply off the base. And I don't see how they can do that in this situation, since the runner is scrambling back to the bag.

That's the fundamental problem with ASA not recognizing the advantageous fourth out for anyone other than the scoring runner. It essentially penalizes the defense for making tag plays during "unrelaxed" action that umpires would never recognize as appeals.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Only if the defense makes it clear that they are tagging the runner to appeal the miss of second base, and not because she's simply off the base. And I don't see how they can do that in this situation, since the runner is scrambling back to the bag.

That's the fundamental problem with ASA not recognizing the advantageous fourth out for anyone other than the scoring runner. It essentially penalizes the defense for making tag plays during "unrelaxed" action that umpires would never recognize as appeals.

I meant if we were counting it as a legit appeal, how many outs would there be?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I meant if we were counting it as a legit appeal, how many outs would there be?

In ASA, you can only have one out on the runner. It's either going to be a third out for a "normal" tag while off the bag, or a third out for an "appeal" tag.

And the defense has to make it clear which one it is at the time of the tag. They can't tag her and then say afterwards, "By the way, Blue, that tag was to appeal her miss of the bag," as they're trotting off the field toward the dugout.