Poor OC

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yes, I do believe the LBR is no longer a necessity.

Well, I don't know you could make the case it was ever a necessity, but it is very helpful at younger ages, because otherwise the same silly stuff that now goes on between catchers and runners would just move to between pitchers and runners. OC's would dare pitchers to try to pick off the runner, betting that the runners will be able to advance many more times than they are tagged out.

I do think that at the upper levels, the rule is largely superfluous.

Do you keep a rule that mainly helps at the lower levels of the game? I say "yes", but I would be very open to modifications as suggested: the LBR does not go into effect until the ongoing play from a batted ball is over.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Well, I don't know you could make the case it was ever a necessity, but it is very helpful at younger ages, because otherwise the same silly stuff that now goes on between catchers and runners would just move to between pitchers and runners. OC's would dare pitchers to try to pick off the runner, betting that the runners will be able to advance many more times than they are tagged out.

I do think that at the upper levels, the rule is largely superfluous.

Do you keep a rule that mainly helps at the lower levels of the game? I say "yes", but I would be very open to modifications as suggested: the LBR does not go into effect until the ongoing play from a batted ball is over.

I think it would be more to control the coaches who still think the rules they played in the sand lot 20 years before still apply

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I think it would be more to control the coaches who still think the rules they played in the sand lot 20 years before still apply

Or worse... those who use Tim McCarver as their coaching expert!

[greymule]

In an NCAA game I worked as BU a couple of years ago, a runner (advancing on a hit) rounded 3B as the ball came in to F1. F1 turned to see the runner stop about 8 feet down the line and then turned away as the runner began to retreat to 3B. F5 saw the runner returning, recognized that there was no play, and moved back to her normal fielding position.

I'll concede that I don't try to follow every runner back to every base after every play. But I did happen to keep an eye on this runner, even though the entire ballpark knew that the play was over and the runners weren't going anywhere.

In this case, however, the runner stopped momentarily in mid-stride one step before 3B, and with her left leg raised, pulled up her sock before taking the last step onto the bag.

The defensive coach wanted an out on the LBR (second stop after F1 got possession). My immediate impulse was to say, "You gotta be kidding." I then considered, "I didn't see it." But I decided on, "I thought she kept moving, Coach. Never quite stopped completely." He didn't pursue the matter, but according to the rule book, he was right.

I admit that I chose the ballpark call over the rule book call.

(NCAA's LBR is not exactly the same as ASA's, but it wouldn't differ on that play.)

[Dakota]

Wasn't the final out of a game in the WCWS or in the regionals several years ago a runner on 3B ruled out because she stepped off the bag to pick of a pebble or something?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Wasn't the final out of a game in the WCWS or in the regionals several years ago a runner on 3B ruled out because she stepped off the bag to pick of a pebble or something?

That was UCLA, but not the final out. I believe it was the year before where it was the final out when a runner on 2b had a brain fart and wondered off the base early.

And then there was the World Cup of Softball last year when the final out was called by the PU on a LBR violation that really wasn't. The reason it wasn't is because the runner was returning at a very slow pace, in reverse.

There is absolutely no particular rate of speed or direction required. If a player lifts her leg to pull up her stockings, some part of her body is moving, and if her motion isn't backward, it's forward. IMJ, she's good and not in violation of the LBR.