Heard today from a coach

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by Fozzie

Okay I see that point. Not sure I agree 100%. Sometimes you read a situation and maybe the best way to handle it is to humor the coach's dumb request. If I think that will put a end to it. Otherwise, Yes, I agree with you and Wade. Forget it coach, lets play.

RANT ON!
Why would you throw the only person who might even be remotely on your side under the bus? No otherwise. Get his *** back in the dugout and play ball. The only person you are helping is the coach. Meanwhile, you've now undermined any credibility you might have had AND undermined your partner. You now owe your partner two beers, a steak and an B. F.apology.

The ballfield is not this sterile, PC place where we try to placate everyone (even up here in PC paradise, more about that later), and we especially don't placate coaches. If you want coaches to be your friend, then go coach.

RANT OFF! FOR NOW!!!!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

RANT ON!
Why would you throw the only person who might even be remotely on your side under the bus?

I must be missing something here. I don't see where anyone has been thrown anywhere. It seems the umpire used this as a game management tool. No big deal. I am making an assumption the umpires were familiar and comfortable with each other and knew what was going on. AND was familiar enough with the teams to know what needed to be done.

No, I will not go for help on any judgment. But I will go if a coach/player can voice a specific concern that deals with additional information which may have affected the call which my partner may provide. If I have a familiar veteran partner, s/he will already be discretely telling me if they have something.

Now, if an umpire goes to his partner, does not get info that would change a call and changes it anyway. Now THAT is a problem unless he has explained a problem and his partner agrees to take the heat PRIOR to the umpire making the call.

I have never had that happen, but am aware of times it has happened to other umpires.

[Fozzie]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

RANT ON!
Why would you throw the only person who might even be remotely on your side under the bus? No otherwise. Get his *** back in the dugout and play ball. The only person you are helping is the coach. Meanwhile, you've now undermined any credibility you might have had AND undermined your partner. You now owe your partner two beers, a steak and an B. F.apology.

The ballfield is not this sterile, PC place where we try to placate everyone (even up here in PC paradise, more about that later), and we especially don't placate coaches. If you want coaches to be your friend, then go coach.

RANT OFF! FOR NOW!!!!

Whoa! We are talking about a game management tool here. In a situation that was not even mine. I said if, and only if this would end it, then fine. I got no problem with the way it was handled.

And as far as throwing my partner under the bus? I just don't see that here. If I trust my partner why should I have a problem going to him on anything other then judgement. After all he is my only friend. And assuming he has my back on this situation, as he should. I really don't think I have helped the coach with anything. If anything we just told him 'no you are wrong' twice without every raising my voice.

I guess I don't see a reason to get riled up here. But this seems to happen anytime anyone talks about going to their partner on this forum.

[wadeintothem]

yeah! what bkb said!

We dont have to take that crap anymore. Tell em how it is.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Fozzie

Whoa! We are talking about a game management tool here. In a situation that was not even mine. I said if, and only if this would end it, then fine. I got no problem with the way it was handled.

And as far as throwing my partner under the bus? I just don't see that here. If I trust my partner why should I have a problem going to him on anything other then judgement. After all he is my only friend. And assuming he has my back on this situation, as he should. I really don't think I have helped the coach with anything. If anything we just told him 'no you are wrong' twice without every raising my voice.

I guess I don't see a reason to get riled up here. But this seems to happen anytime anyone talks about going to their partner on this forum.

I don't see a reason to get riled up, either. It's not a question about "should I ever go to my partner?" It's a question of "should I go to my partner just because I've been asked to?"

If you go to your partner every time you're asked, I don't think you're throwing your partner under the bus. You're throwing yourself under the bus.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

For those of you that don't know, my oldest son, MTD, Jr. (a freshmen in college this year), is in his 2nd year of umpiring H.S. baseball and during the summer also umpires ASA and USSSA fastpitch. Last summer in a boys' 14U baseball game, he had had a batter-rummer out at first base on a semi-close play. The offensive team's HC was using a substitute as a first base coach because his assistant coach had to work 2nd shift. After Mark had made the call he comes trotting out to Jr., from his third base coaching box, and asked Mark what he saw and Mark replied: I saw the batter make an out. That ended the discussion.

MTD, Sr.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

had a batter-rummer

My type of ball player.