Dallas v. Washington

[bigjohn]

How about this no call?

Laron Landry's Big Hit on Laurent Robinson (MNF 9-26-11) - YouTube

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

How about this no call?

Laron Landry's Big Hit on Laurent Robinson (MNF 9-26-11) - YouTube

Looks good to me, at any level.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Looks good to me, at any level.

Agree, and I would say it's clearly legal (not borderline).

Those of you who think this play is IHC seem not to know what "initiating contact with the helmet" means or how this foul is to be called. The tackler led with his shoulder, and even if the helmet arrives a microsecond earlier it's not a foul.

To be a foul, the IHC must be obvious, not borderline. To be obvious, it must involve no or minimal contact with the shoulder.

[APG]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Agree, and I would say it's clearly legal (not borderline).

I agree wholeheartdly...the Landry hit was clearly legal.

NFL Rules Book (2011)

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9

(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:

(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and

(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.

Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent

[oncelost77]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I agree wholeheartdly...the Landry hit was clearly legal.

NFL Rules Book (2011)

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9

(b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:

(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and

(2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.

Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent

Based on that, it seems that it fits perfectly into part 2, unless you feel it was incidental. Did the crown or forehead hit the defenseless player's body? He lowered his head, and made forcible contact with the crown/forehead part of his helmet. Thanks for the rule clarity. His arms and shoulders following through were incidental to the helmet contact, imho.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by oncelost77

Based on that, it seems that it fits perfectly into part 2, unless you feel it was incidental. Did the crown or forehead hit the defenseless player's body? He lowered his head, and made forcible contact with the crown/forehead part of his helmet. Thanks for the rule clarity. His arms and shoulders following through were incidental to the helmet contact, imho.

I can conclude only that we're looking at different films. In the film I saw, the crown/forehead of the tackler's helmet never touched the receiver, much less initiated the contact. :shrug:

[oncelost77]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I can conclude only that we're looking at different films. In the film I saw, the crown/forehead of the tackler's helmet never touched the receiver, much less initiated the contact. :shrug:

You are correct we are. I am talking about the Landry hit. This thread jumped ship and I rode that one. My bad, I haven't seen the USC that was called which the OP referenced. The Landry one has the link in the thread. His helmet hits the middle of the Dallas receivers chest at :23.

[JasonTX]

I think what made it look worse at full speed was the receivers head jerking back. At full speed it would appear that it was helmet to helmet. Obviously after seeing the replay it looked like a good legal hit to me.

[APG]

Just for clarification sake, the play referred to in the OP was a personal foul rather than unsportsmanlike conduct.

[oncelost77]

Try pausing the Landry hit on Laurent Robinson at :30 to :31. If you don't see him dropping his head and making contact with the top/forehead/crown, then we are watching different plays. This is bang-bang IHC, no option for slow-mo during the game but I default to safety when in doubt. The endzone angle gives a good view around :23 showing him dropping his head. The flag from me is to protect Landry in the future more than it is to protect Robinson, imho.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

How about this no call?

Laron Landry's Big Hit on Laurent Robinson (MNF 9-26-11) - YouTube

Good no call.