Dallas vs Chicago SNF

[MD Longhorn]

Just before halftime, Dallas sacks Grossman on 4th down with 3 seconds to go. R winds the clock, then stops it (with 1 second left), then practically sprints off the field. Question - shouldn't this have been reviewable by the booth (last 2 minutes of the half)? And any statements from the NFL about this play?

Also - anyone catch the phantom BIB and phantom OPI against Dallas in the first half, or the two phantom false-starts by Chicago offense in the 2nd?

I don't know this crew - was this just a bad night? How does this crew "rank"?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Just before halftime, Dallas sacks Grossman on 4th down with 3 seconds to go. R winds the clock, then stops it (with 1 second left), then practically sprints off the field. Question - shouldn't this have been reviewable by the booth (last 2 minutes of the half)? And any statements from the NFL about this play?

Also - anyone catch the phantom BIB and phantom OPI against Dallas in the first half, or the two phantom false-starts by Chicago offense in the 2nd?

I don't know this crew - was this just a bad night? How does this crew "rank"?

What should be reviewable? For the record, NFL timing is very different than other levels. The NFL stops the clock during QB sacks. Then they run the clock on the ready for play at some point. This could also vary with a certain time on the clock as they do other events in the game.

I did not watch much of the first half, so I cannot comment on the quality of those calls.

Peace

[NickelDeuce]

Yeah, but the the sack happened on 4th down which created a change of possession. Clock should have been stopped immediately. I believe the wind of the clock was simply a mistake. Even though there were 2-3 seconds left when he got sacked I'm not certain if that play is reviewable.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by NickelDeuce

Yeah, but the the sack happened on 4th down which created a change of possession. Clock should have been stopped immediately. I believe the wind of the clock was simply a mistake. Even though there were 2-3 seconds left when he got sacked I'm not certain if that play is reviewable.

For those wondering why Winter wound the clock, a sack stops the clock except in the last two minutes of the half, so on any down other than fourth inside of 2 minutes, he winds to alert the clock operator that it's not a normal sack situation where the clock stops.

So this means Winter had a brain cramp since it was fourth down. Wouldn't other officials signal the clock stoppage on fourth down, too? I know they would on my crew.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What should be reviewable? For the record, NFL timing is very different than other levels. The NFL stops the clock during QB sacks. Then they run the clock on the ready for play at some point. This could also vary with a certain time on the clock as they do other events in the game.

I did not watch much of the first half, so I cannot comment on the quality of those calls.

Peace

I would think that the fact that there were 3 seconds left on the clock when the play ended, which would give Dallas one more play to try a long pass or a 52 yard FG, would have been reviewable. NFL timing is different - but not in this case where a play is over that results in a change of possession.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I would think that the fact that there were 3 seconds left on the clock when the play ended, which would give Dallas one more play to try a long pass or a 52 yard FG, would have been reviewable. NFL timing is different - but not in this case where a play is over that results in a change of possession.

I was just giving you and example as to why you saw what you might have seen. I was not there and I was not watching the game. Also understand that the clock on TV is not always accurate to the clock in the stadium. It is possible that time had actually run out and the TV clock time was not the same. I have seen on many occasions where all of a sudden the clock is changed on TV because they were off a few seconds. Other than that, I think you would have to be on the crew to know for sure what happen or have a buddy in the NFL office that has some insight.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I was just giving you and example as to why you saw what you might have seen. I was not there and I was not watching the game. Also understand that the clock on TV is not always accurate to the clock in the stadium. It is possible that time had actually run out and the TV clock time was not the same. I have seen on many occasions where all of a sudden the clock is changed on TV because they were off a few seconds. Other than that, I think you would have to be on the crew to know for sure what happen or have a buddy in the NFL office that has some insight.

Peace

I've seen this too in NCAA or HS games on TV. NFL uses a camera actually on the clock - specifically for timing issues such as this one. NBC even showed us a superimposed replay, specifically showing the time that the sack occurred. They showed the clock from the moment of the snap (6 seconds), so it was obviously started at the right moment and was not several seconds off from the TV. It was started on the snap, not the RFP, on this play, and the sack was 3 seconds after the snap.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I've seen this too in NCAA or HS games on TV. NFL uses a camera actually on the clock - specifically for timing issues such as this one.

That is not entirely true. Many NFL broadcasts use a digital clock from a graphic. They are not always showing the clock or a camera of the clock. Also I know this can vary from one stadium to another. I know ESPN uses the graphic clock and not a video of the stadium clock.

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

NBC even showed us a superimposed replay, specifically showing the time that the sack occurred. They showed the clock from the moment of the snap (6 seconds), so it was obviously started at the right moment and was not several seconds off from the TV. It was started on the snap, not the RFP, on this play, and the sack was 3 seconds after the snap.

Maybe you need to write the NFL a letter. It seems like only then you will be satisfied. BTW, the Cowboys won the game. And for me the Bears lost the game, so I am happy.

Peace