Dallas v. Washington

[MD Longhorn]

Anyone have opinions on the USC called on Dallas late in the 4th quarter last night, where a still standing Redskin receiver who had caught the ball was hit in the shoulder by the defender (and with the defender's shoulder). I know they are to be very careful with head contact and defenseless receivers, and I thought I even heard WH say the word defenseless receiver...

Is there any case where a receiver who has CAUGHT THE BALL and is not yet tackled might be considered a defenseless receiver?

Any other reason anyone can think of that this was flagged (by TWO officials, no less)? I replayed it a few times and cannot see what they thought they saw. Heck, it was not even that good of a hit, and he had a better chance of hurting his TEAMMATE than the receiver.

[mbyron]

Got the video, Mike?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Got the video, Mike?

Looking right now, actually.

[bigjohn]

How about this no call?

Laron Landry's Big Hit on Laurent Robinson (MNF 9-26-11) - YouTube

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

How about this no call?

Laron Landry's Big Hit on Laurent Robinson (MNF 9-26-11) - YouTube

Looks good to me, at any level.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Looks good to me, at any level.

Agree, and I would say it's clearly legal (not borderline).

Those of you who think this play is IHC seem not to know what "initiating contact with the helmet" means or how this foul is to be called. The tackler led with his shoulder, and even if the helmet arrives a microsecond earlier it's not a foul.

To be a foul, the IHC must be obvious, not borderline. To be obvious, it must involve no or minimal contact with the shoulder.

[InsideTheStripe]

Originally Posted by bigjohn

How about this no call?

Laron Landry's Big Hit on Laurent Robinson (MNF 9-26-11) - YouTube

Good no call.

[zm1283]

I didn't think it warranted an USC penalty. The defender hit the receiver in the chest with his shoulder. I don't know exactly what the NFL is looking for on these types of plays, it just seems it's getting a little out of hand when you can't hit someone with your shoulder and there is zero helmet-to-helmet contact.

[oncelost77]

Did Landry lead with his helmet and make contact with his helmet first? I think so. I don't like the walk over the top of him after getting up either but that seems common place in the NFL these days. High school and college I would call it in a second, wouldn't hesitate.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by oncelost77

Did Landry lead with his helmet and make contact with his helmet first? I think so. I don't like the walk over the top of him after getting up either but that seems common place in the NFL these days. High school and college I would call it in a second, wouldn't hesitate.

No, he didn't. Shoulder hit.

[Robert Goodman]

Originally Posted by oncelost77

Did Landry lead with his helmet and make contact with his helmet first? I think so.

In the last view in slow motion, he did flex his neck and lower his head just before contact. I would never have seen that full speed, so I could never have called it, but it is the rxn we don't want players to have to impending contact.

[Zebraman79]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Anyone have opinions on the USC called on Dallas late in the 4th quarter last night, where a still standing Redskin receiver who had caught the ball was hit in the shoulder by the defender (and with the defender's shoulder). I know they are to be very careful with head contact and defenseless receivers, and I thought I even heard WH say the word defenseless receiver...

Is there any case where a receiver who has CAUGHT THE BALL and is not yet tackled might be considered a defenseless receiver?

Any other reason anyone can think of that this was flagged (by TWO officials, no less)? I replayed it a few times and cannot see what they thought they saw. Heck, it was not even that good of a hit, and he had a better chance of hurting his TEAMMATE than the receiver.

Dont really have a position on the PF's, crew to crew in my opinion the NFL is somewhat inconsistent and it is frustrating to fans. Its very difficult at the speed these guys play at to rule on some of these hits so I feel for them. Late hits on the quarterback they have changed the rules and still have tons of qb's getting hurt and in my opinon are inconsistent in their rulings.

but watching this game I could not believe this crew missed the hold on Demarcus Ware near the end of the game, it was on the blatantly obvious side..... a first year pop warner should not have missed that. Jon Gruden went ballistic and they showed the replay as Ware was on a path to destroy Grossman.

Also another thing from this game that was interesting as Dallas came back and blamed all the early snaps their center kept making was due to a former Dallas player on Washingtons D line was calling out Romo's cadence. Interesting I guess it would be nearly impossible for the U to hear since he is behind the O line except for the last 5 minutes of the half?

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Zebraman79

Also another thing from this game that was interesting as Dallas came back and blamed all the early snaps their center kept making was due to a former Dallas player on Washingtons D line was calling out Romo's cadence. Interesting I guess it would be nearly impossible for the U to hear since he is behind the O line except for the last 5 minutes of the half?

Even when he's on the defensive side of the ball he can't always determine how says what. There is a lot of noise with different players yelling out different calls. You may hear someone yell "go" but you can't always tell which player did it.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Zebraman79

but watching this game I could not believe this crew missed the hold on Demarcus Ware near the end of the game, it was on the blatantly obvious side..... a first year pop warner should not have missed that. Jon Gruden went ballistic and they showed the replay as Ware was on a path to destroy Grossman.

Having been on the field, and then watched my own game on film enough, I am fully aware (as you should be) that often times, holding or no holding is all about angle. What is blatantly "pop-warner" obvious on film is not necessarily that obvious from the angle that the official has. Gruden doesn't know that, but we do. Even the fanboy in me doesn't get bent out of shape when my team doesn't get a call like the Ware one.

Calling phantom 15-yarders? Not acceptable from any angle... you have to SEE this to call it. Hard to see it, from any angle, when it doesn't actually happen. Calling the player a defenseless receiver when announcing the foul irritated me even more, given that the receiver in question CAUGHT THE EFFING BALL. Take it a step further and make this bad call against my team at a critical moment...? Yeah, I was throwing pillows at the TV.