kickoff oob enforcement

[parepat]

Question. If R decides to take the ball at the out of bounds spot, should the decline signal be given? NFHS rules. Had an observer note on my evaluation that I should have declined it.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by parepat

Question. If R decides to take the ball at the out of bounds spot, should the decline signal be given? NFHS rules. Had an observer note on my evaluation that I should have declined it.

I don't know if that mechanic is in the book, but taking the ball where it went out of bounds would indeed amount to declining the penalty and taking the result of the play.

So I'd say, yes, signal that R declines. Probably most likely when an onside kick goes out of bounds.

[Canned Heat]

Mic'd up this last weekend when we had it and it went as follows:
"Illegal Procedure (while signaling #19)...free kick out of bounds on the kicking team. Penalty declined (signal 10). White elects to take the ball at the inbounds spot....First down (signal #8)"

I'm sure others do it differently...just how I've always done it.

[bisonlj]

Originally Posted by Canned Heat

Mic'd up this last weekend when we had it and it went as follows:
"Illegal Procedure (while signaling #19)...free kick out of bounds on the kicking team. Penalty declined (signal 10). White elects to take the ball at the inbounds spot....First down (signal #8)"

I'm sure others do it differently...just how I've always done it.

That's what I would do except there is no foul called "illegal procedure" (unless you are an PA announcer, broadcaster, or coach). The signal is #19 but you should not have announced illegal procedural.

If you are not mic'd though I think you still give the decline signal but nobody is probably watching the R at this point.

[Canned Heat]

Originally Posted by bisonlj

That's what I would do except there is no foul called "illegal procedure" (unless you are an PA announcer, broadcaster, or coach). The signal is #19 but you should not have announced illegal procedural.

If you are not mic'd though I think you still give the decline signal but nobody is probably watching the R at this point.

Correct...that's why I never make it to the state finals.

[DLH17]

Didn't want to start a new thread, seems like there are so many that could be consolidated a bit. Anyway, running with the "kick off" theme:

What are the differences, if any, between h.s. and college rules regarding touchback rulings?

Scenario:

Team A kicks off to Team B. Team A return man does not indicate 'fair catch' and let's ball hit the turf and roll into the end zone untouched.

Is the ball live or dead? In h.s., this is an automatic touch back situation, no? Same in college?

[APG]

NCAA Rule
Rule 6, Section 1
Touching Ground On or Behind Goal Line
ARTICLE 7. When a free kick untouched by Team B touches the ground on or behind Team B’s goal line, the ball becomes dead and belongs to Team B.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by DLH17

In h.s., this is an automatic touch back situation, no?

I don't know what "automatic" adds, but yes, the NFHS rule is easy. Any kick (free or scrimmage) that crosses the plane of the goal line is a touchback, whether or not it has touched the ground, a player, an official, or anything else. It's still a kick until it has been caught, recovered, or becomes dead by rule.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by DLH17

Didn't want to start a new thread, seems like there are so many that could be consolidated a bit. Anyway, running with the "kick off" theme:

What are the differences, if any, between h.s. and college rules regarding touchback rulings?

Scenario:

Team A kicks off to Team B. Team A return man does not indicate 'fair catch' and let's ball hit the turf and roll into the end zone untouched.

Is the ball live or dead? In h.s., this is an automatic touch back situation, no? Same in college?

NFHS is pretty simple, ANY/ALL legally kicked balls that break the plane of the receiving teams goal line are touchbacks. It doesn't matter who might have touched the kick, or how many times it was touched, where it's been, or who's signaled what, as long as it is still a kick, and the ball breaks the plane of R's goal line it's a TB.