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Old Mon Nov 08, 2010, 09:47am
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kickoff oob enforcement

A kickoff out of bounds, untouched by any team... what are the correct enforcements?
I thought...
1) Back up 5 yds and rekick
2) 30 yds from spot of kickoff
3) 5 yds from out of bounds spot...
My enforcement question is "Team B can choose the 5 yard penalty behind Team Bs 30... but if the kick goes out of bounds before the 30 doesn't Team B have to decline the penalty and accept the ball where it went out of bounds?"

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Old Mon Nov 08, 2010, 09:52am
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No...there are 3 options...

1) 25 yards from spot of previous kick
2) 5 yard penalty and re-kick
3) Take possession at inbound spot where ball went OOB

NFHS...I'm assuming.
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Old Mon Nov 08, 2010, 10:28am
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A kickoff out of bounds, untouched by any team... what are the correct enforcements?
I thought...
1) Back up 5 yds and rekick
2) 30 yds from spot of kickoff
3) 5 yds from out of bounds spot...
My enforcement question is "Team B can choose the 5 yard penalty behind Team Bs 30... but if the kick goes out of bounds before the 30 doesn't Team B have to decline the penalty and accept the ball where it went out of bounds?"

NFHS Rules...
These are the NCAA enforcements. Canned Heat gave you NFHS. The team can elect any enforcement they desire.
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does that mean that they can recieve the 5 yard enforcement if the ball travels, untouched to the 50 yd line. or do they take it at the spot it went out...?
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does that mean that they can recieve the 5 yard enforcement if the ball travels, untouched to the 50 yd line. or do they take it at the spot it went out...?
Assuming a regular kickoff spot (that is, not moved by penalty) from the 30, and kick OOB at the 50, here are the options:
1) Back up 5 yds and rekick from the 25.
2) 30 yds from spot of kickoff, first and 10 from the receiving team's 40.
3) 5 yds from out of bounds spot, first and 10 from the kicking team's 45.

Most likely the receiving team will choose #3.

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A kickoff out of bounds, untouched by any team... what are the correct enforcements?
I thought...
1) Back up 5 yds and rekick
2) 30 yds from spot of kickoff
3) 5 yds from out of bounds spot...
My enforcement question is "Team B can choose the 5 yard penalty behind Team Bs 30... but if the kick goes out of bounds before the 30 doesn't Team B have to decline the penalty and accept the ball where it went out of bounds?"
CANADIAN RULING:
  • 5 yards, re-kick
  • Team B 1D/10 @ spot ball went OB
  • +25 yards from KO line, Team B 1D/10
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Old Mon Nov 08, 2010, 12:32pm
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Assuming a regular kickoff spot (that is, not moved by penalty) from the 30, and kick OOB at the 50, here are the options:
1) Back up 5 yds and rekick from the 25.
2) 30 yds from spot of kickoff, first and 10 from the receiving team's 40.
3) 5 yds from out of bounds spot, first and 10 from the kicking team's 45.

Most likely the receiving team will choose #3.
FYI.....for Fed, the Kick line is not the 30 (40 YL), and in Fed...there is no 5 yard penalty on the OOB spot. The ball goes 1st and 10 from the inbound spot where it went OOB....if we're still inquiring on FED adaptation.
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FYI.....for Fed, the Kick line is not the 30 (40 YL), and in Fed...there is no 5 yard penalty on the OOB spot. The ball goes 1st and 10 from the inbound spot where it went OOB....if we're still inquiring on FED adaptation.
Yes, I'm aware of that. The original question was about NCAA, so I provided the NCAA answer.
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Yes, I'm aware of that. The original question was about NCAA, so I provided the NCAA answer.
Actually, it was orginally unknown...then edited to NFHS...then to NCAA. Duly noted...didn't catch the 2nd revision.

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Question. If R decides to take the ball at the out of bounds spot, should the decline signal be given? NFHS rules. Had an observer note on my evaluation that I should have declined it.
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Question. If R decides to take the ball at the out of bounds spot, should the decline signal be given? NFHS rules. Had an observer note on my evaluation that I should have declined it.
I don't know if that mechanic is in the book, but taking the ball where it went out of bounds would indeed amount to declining the penalty and taking the result of the play.

So I'd say, yes, signal that R declines. Probably most likely when an onside kick goes out of bounds.
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Mic'd up this last weekend when we had it and it went as follows:
"Illegal Procedure (while signaling #19)...free kick out of bounds on the kicking team. Penalty declined (signal 10). White elects to take the ball at the inbounds spot....First down (signal #8)"

I'm sure others do it differently...just how I've always done it.
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Mic'd up this last weekend when we had it and it went as follows:
"Illegal Procedure (while signaling #19)...free kick out of bounds on the kicking team. Penalty declined (signal 10). White elects to take the ball at the inbounds spot....First down (signal #8)"

I'm sure others do it differently...just how I've always done it.
That's what I would do except there is no foul called "illegal procedure" (unless you are an PA announcer, broadcaster, or coach). The signal is #19 but you should not have announced illegal procedural.

If you are not mic'd though I think you still give the decline signal but nobody is probably watching the R at this point.
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That's what I would do except there is no foul called "illegal procedure" (unless you are an PA announcer, broadcaster, or coach). The signal is #19 but you should not have announced illegal procedural.

If you are not mic'd though I think you still give the decline signal but nobody is probably watching the R at this point.
Correct...that's why I never make it to the state finals.
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Didn't want to start a new thread, seems like there are so many that could be consolidated a bit. Anyway, running with the "kick off" theme:

What are the differences, if any, between h.s. and college rules regarding touchback rulings?

Scenario:

Team A kicks off to Team B. Team A return man does not indicate 'fair catch' and let's ball hit the turf and roll into the end zone untouched.

Is the ball live or dead? In h.s., this is an automatic touch back situation, no? Same in college?
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