One Point Safety

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Okay...let's talk about the defense jumping into the neutral zone. That happens a lot in my games. What do you do when it happens in your games?

Nothing until something else happens.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's a very narrow minded approach.

If it's in the rule book, rest assured, it has happened. That's why it's in there.

I vote that this rule and the rule where you can free kick after a fair catch should be eliminated from the rule book...they are just taking up precious space and ink in my rule book...IMO!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by cmathews

A3 fumbles the ball at the one while running to the ez B55 then bats the grounded fumble into his EZ where B 65 recovers the ball. Score 1 pt for A for the safety.

OK, as long as you're still talking about a try, that's slightly more likely than my scenario. Good point.

[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I would call a 1-point safety if one occurred, yes. Wouldn't take either kahoonas or cajones.

A 1-point safety occurs during a try when A forces the ball 97 yards back into their own endzone and the ball becomes dead there.

No, it isn't likely.

It's only a saftey by B (8-3-3), not A. So this would not be a one point safety.

[With_Two_Flakes]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

It's only a saftey by B (8-3-3), not A. So this would not be a one point safety.

Interesting!

I never picked up on that in the Fed book (the latest I have is the 2007 book). I only work Fed on the occasional visits to the US, we work NCAA over here in Europe.

If it is not a 1pt safety, what would it be then? 2 points? The point values table in 8-1 says safety on a try is 1 pt. It doesn't mention teams, so you could argue that a safety by either would be 1pt.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A 1-point safety occurs during a try when A forces the ball 97 yards back into their own endzone and the ball becomes dead there.

Originally Posted by With_Two_Flakes

If it is not a 1pt safety, what would it be then? 2 points? The point values table in 8-1 says safety on a try is 1 pt. It doesn't mention teams, so you could argue that a safety by either would be 1pt.

No, you can't.

8-3-3 states that Team A can score 1 point from what would normally be a safety by B.

Under NFHS rules, B cannot score during a try down.

[With_Two_Flakes]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Under NFHS rules, B cannot score during a try down.

Not doubting you (I'm a novice with NFHS rules) but I can't seem to find that in the book.....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by With_Two_Flakes

Not doubting you (I'm a novice with NFHS rules) but I can't seem to find that in the book.....

8-3-3 defines how Team A can score on a try. It does not say Team B can score during a try.

Further, case play 8.3.3 states specifically "B cannot score during a try down."

[JRutledge]

I do think often on these forums we worry about the strange or unusual situation that never happens but cannot get the routine or common thing right. Just listen to a certain coach on the NF forum and he will claim that happens every game. And how many times have we discussed this issue? I bet I have read more things on these forums about 1 point safeties than I read about many other rules. I guess some people need to discuss these things over and over a learn a rather simple rule.

Peace