One Point Safety

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's a very narrow minded approach.

If it's in the rule book, rest assured, it has happened. That's why it's in there.

It not narrow minded, I just live in a state of reality! How many one-point safeties have you had in your career? This is my 19th season and I haven't and any...so this would never come up in a conversation about football officiating for me. I would rather talk about topics that WILL happen in the game (or more likely to happen) and make sure we get those right.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's a very narrow minded approach.

If it's in the rule book, rest assured, it has happened. That's why it's in there.

I vote that this rule and the rule where you can free kick after a fair catch should be eliminated from the rule book...they are just taking up precious space and ink in my rule book...IMO!

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

It not narrow minded, I just live in a state of reality! How many one-point safeties have you had in your career? This is my 19th season and I haven't and any...so this would never come up in a conversation about football officiating for me. I would rather talk about topics that WILL happen in the game (or more likely to happen) and make sure we get those right.

The stuff you see every game or multiple times every game are the easy ones to get right because you see them so often. The weird stuff that you will only see once in a career is the stuff you're likely to get wrong because you haven't seen it before. We should spend more time talking about the strange, rare stuff because that's the stuff that's hard.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

The stuff you see every game or multiple times every game are the easy ones to get right because you see them so often. The weird stuff that you will only see once in a career is the stuff you're likely to get wrong because you haven't seen it before. We should spend more time talking about the strange, rare stuff because that's the stuff that's hard.

I would tend to disagree with you, we should discuss the items that our crew needs to work on from game to game...not the once in a career play.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I would tend to disagree with you, we should discuss the items that our crew needs to work on from game to game...not the once in a career play.

You should talk about what your crew needs to work on from game to game amongst your crew. Here? I think there's room for both. I'm not talking the craziest of the crazy TWP's (although that's more common in baseball/softball than here) - but stuff that might not happen often that everyone might not already have in their heads? Absolutely there's room for it here.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I would tend to disagree with you, we should discuss the items that our crew needs to work on from game to game...not the once in a career play.

I see your point, but I still think you have to make time to study the strange plays that "you'll never see" because you will end up seeing them, maybe just once, but eventually you'll see it. Then you'll have one chance to have called it right, maybe even with the outcome of the game on the line. You'll either get it right because you studied it or you'll wing it and hope for the best because "it will never happen to me."

[With_Two_Flakes]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Under NFHS rules, B cannot score during a try down.

Not doubting you (I'm a novice with NFHS rules) but I can't seem to find that in the book.....

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

It not narrow minded, I just live in a state of reality! How many one-point safeties have you had in your career? This is my 19th season and I haven't and any...so this would never come up in a conversation about football officiating for me. I would rather talk about topics that WILL happen in the game (or more likely to happen) and make sure we get those right.

Okay...let's talk about the defense jumping into the neutral zone. That happens a lot in my games. What do you do when it happens in your games?

We learn be talking about strange situations. Then, we they happen, we don't stand there with that "WTF do we do now?" look on our faces.

I have discussed unique situations on this and the NFHS fourms, only to have them happen in my games. And becasue we had discussed them thoroughly, I was prepared for it.

Finally, if you don't don't want to involve yourself in the discussion, then why not just skip the thread?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by With_Two_Flakes

Not doubting you (I'm a novice with NFHS rules) but I can't seem to find that in the book.....

8-3-3 defines how Team A can score on a try. It does not say Team B can score during a try.

Further, case play 8.3.3 states specifically "B cannot score during a try down."

[JRutledge]

I do think often on these forums we worry about the strange or unusual situation that never happens but cannot get the routine or common thing right. Just listen to a certain coach on the NF forum and he will claim that happens every game. And how many times have we discussed this issue? I bet I have read more things on these forums about 1 point safeties than I read about many other rules. I guess some people need to discuss these things over and over a learn a rather simple rule.

Peace

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Okay...let's talk about the defense jumping into the neutral zone. That happens a lot in my games. What do you do when it happens in your games?

Nothing until something else happens.

[bkdow]

Well, being newer to the forum, I was not aware that this issue had been discussed. I found it while reading my case book and thought it was an interesting nuance that doesn't happen every day. If all we talked about was the stuff that happened all the time, it would be boring. It's the interesting, unique stuff that happens in life that makes life interesting!

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by bkdow

Well, being newer to the forum, I was not aware that this issue had been discussed. I found it while reading my case book and thought it was an interesting nuance that doesn't happen every day. If all we talked about was the stuff that happened all the time, it would be boring. It's the interesting, unique stuff that happens in life that makes life interesting!

No reason to ask forgiveness. Most of us agree.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bkdow

Well, being newer to the forum, I was not aware that this issue had been discussed. I found it while reading my case book and thought it was an interesting nuance that doesn't happen every day. If all we talked about was the stuff that happened all the time, it would be boring. It's the interesting, unique stuff that happens in life that makes life interesting!

You missed the point (at least I was making). I think officials on and off this forum worry too much about things that will likely never happen. That does not mean these things should not be discussed. But it does make some of these things annoying when we have some conversations about officials that miss the regular or routine plays. And I have read recently many threads on just this topic alone and it has not happen to most of us even one time. You do not need to apologize, but I do not dismiss those that feel this gets silly at some point.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by bkdow

We got into a discussion on our last varsity game drive. Would you ever call a 1 point safety? If so, what are the circumstances (I know them). More importantly, would you have the kahoonas to call it in varsity game?

CANADIAN RULING:

Safeties are not possible during convert attempts.