One Point Safety

[bkdow]

We got into a discussion on our last varsity game drive. Would you ever call a 1 point safety? If so, what are the circumstances (I know them). More importantly, would you have the kahoonas to call it in varsity game?

[mbyron]

I would call a 1-point safety if one occurred, yes. Wouldn't take either kahoonas or cajones.

A 1-point safety occurs during a try when A forces the ball 97 yards back into their own endzone and the ball becomes dead there.

No, it isn't likely.

[cmathews]

A3 fumbles the ball at the one while running to the ez B55 then bats the grounded fumble into his EZ where B 65 recovers the ball. Score 1 pt for A for the safety.

[GoodwillRef]

You going to rule that he batted the ball and it just didn't squirt out when he was trying to recover it? Why do people keep discussing plays that WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN! We have so many plays that we get wrong that happen 5 times a game but officials stay up late at night watching infomercials about Shamwow thinking about plays that will never happen in a million, trillion, gazillion years. WHY?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

You going to rule that he batted the ball and it just didn't squirt out when he was trying to recover it?

A muff of a grounded fumble can also impart a new force, so the result would be the same.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by mbyron

A muff of a grounded fumble can also impart a new force, so the result would be the same.

A much more likely possibility, albeit NCAA only, is an interception on a try (out of the EZ or brought out of the EZ) where the intercepting team somehow puts the ball in their own EZ (in any number of ways).

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

You going to rule that he batted the ball and it just didn't squirt out when he was trying to recover it? Why do people keep discussing plays that WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN! We have so many plays that we get wrong that happen 5 times a game but officials stay up late at night watching infomercials about Shamwow thinking about plays that will never happen in a million, trillion, gazillion years. WHY?

Never? Ask Texas A&M. a 1-point safety happened to them just last year.

[ODJ]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Never? Ask Texas A&M. a 1-point safety happened to them just last year.

DITTO!

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Never? Ask Texas A&M. a 1-point safety happened to them just last year.

Okay...you got me, it happen one time!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

You going to rule that he batted the ball and it just didn't squirt out when he was trying to recover it? Why do people keep discussing plays that WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN! We have so many plays that we get wrong that happen 5 times a game but officials stay up late at night watching infomercials about Shamwow thinking about plays that will never happen in a million, trillion, gazillion years. WHY?

That's a very narrow minded approach.

If it's in the rule book, rest assured, it has happened. That's why it's in there.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's a very narrow minded approach.

If it's in the rule book, rest assured, it has happened. That's why it's in there.

It not narrow minded, I just live in a state of reality! How many one-point safeties have you had in your career? This is my 19th season and I haven't and any...so this would never come up in a conversation about football officiating for me. I would rather talk about topics that WILL happen in the game (or more likely to happen) and make sure we get those right.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

That's a very narrow minded approach.

If it's in the rule book, rest assured, it has happened. That's why it's in there.

I vote that this rule and the rule where you can free kick after a fair catch should be eliminated from the rule book...they are just taking up precious space and ink in my rule book...IMO!

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by cmathews

A3 fumbles the ball at the one while running to the ez B55 then bats the grounded fumble into his EZ where B 65 recovers the ball. Score 1 pt for A for the safety.

OK, as long as you're still talking about a try, that's slightly more likely than my scenario. Good point.

[tomes1978]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I would call a 1-point safety if one occurred, yes. Wouldn't take either kahoonas or cajones.

A 1-point safety occurs during a try when A forces the ball 97 yards back into their own endzone and the ball becomes dead there.

No, it isn't likely.

It's only a saftey by B (8-3-3), not A. So this would not be a one point safety.

[With_Two_Flakes]

Originally Posted by tomes1978

It's only a saftey by B (8-3-3), not A. So this would not be a one point safety.

Interesting!

I never picked up on that in the Fed book (the latest I have is the 2007 book). I only work Fed on the occasional visits to the US, we work NCAA over here in Europe.

If it is not a 1pt safety, what would it be then? 2 points? The point values table in 8-1 says safety on a try is 1 pt. It doesn't mention teams, so you could argue that a safety by either would be 1pt.