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At the high school level the rules have not changed. If I am working a college game I will worry about their mechanics. Until then, I am counting 4 in the backfield to be legal and 5 or more to be illegal at a high school game. I really do not see the big deal.
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If part of your pre-snap routine is looking for a "punch" from the R, then there's nothing wrong with counting the backs.
But, the problem with just counting the backfield is when the R "punches" just to punch without really count the players. Your counting the backs thinking that there are 11, but there are really 10 on the field. You can still have 4 backs, and still have an illegal formation. What do you guys, who count backs, do if the U is flashing that he has 10, and the R is punching 11? I know that if I work the wing, I'm not taking any chances that the R or the U haven't miscounted. Last edited by refbuz; Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 09:11pm. |
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For the record, I'm an umpire and I could care less if the wings count the backs or the line because I know that, in HS, if the offense scores a TD that stands with 10 players on the field and 4 backs its not my rear-end that is going to get reamed by the commissioner. |
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On the counting: We will both (the R and the U) agree on each play -- if not before, than after. Besides, the LJ is counting the defense on my crew and the L is setting the down box and/or chains. By the time that's done (and the LJ's count is verified with the BJ) it leaves precious little time to count 11 on the offense, too. I'd rather have the wings not throw a flag if there's 10 if they aren't sure. If we have 10 and I'm sure the wings didn't see our thumbs down signal, we'll talk after the play. If they have 4 backs then, we'll throw a late flag. Much ado about nothing. |
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We changed to counting 4 in the backfield this year, and I think it's a bad change.
The rule dictates how many players must be on the LOS. So why not count those players? Why bring variables into the equation? |
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Your crew counts the backs and its great that it works for you. What I don't get is why a wing would want to worry about a 4th back 40 or so yards away, when you could count 3 players that are 15-20 yards away? just my $.02. |
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You can count 4 in the backfield, it works most of the time. But eventually the R is going to have the count wrong and there will be 4 backs and 6 linemen. You might go 50+ games without the R counting wrong but it will happen, it is only a matter of time. |
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