Redding guide play?

[ChickenOfNC]

Ok, off the top of my head:

4th and 10 from A's 5 yard line. A8 drops into the end zone and throws a forward pass that is tipped by blitzing linebacker B45. The pass is caught by A81, and while still in his end zone, throws another forward pass to eligible A40 incomplete. RULING: B can accept the penalty for a safety, or decline the penalty and take over 1st and 10 from the 5 yard line.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by ChickenOfNC

Ok, off the top of my head:

4th and 10 from A's 5 yard line. A8 drops into the end zone and throws a forward pass that is tipped by blitzing linebacker B45. The pass is caught by A81, and while still in his end zone, throws another forward pass to eligible A40 incomplete. RULING: B can accept the penalty for a safety, or decline the penalty and take over 1st and 10 from the 5 yard line.

It seems you have an Illegal Forward Pass (NF:7-5-2-e) thrown from A's EZ during a 4th down. The fact that the pass was tipped by B has no bearing on the 2nd forward pass being illegal.

As the Illegal Forward Pass is a spot foul, enforcement would be from inside A's EZ, which would cause a Safety. If the penalty were declined, the down would count and possession would change because A did not make the Line to Gain within 4 downs, resulting in a 1-goal for B, at the A 5 YL.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ChickenOfNC

Ok, off the top of my head:

4th and 10 from A's 5 yard line. A8 drops into the end zone and throws a forward pass that is tipped by blitzing linebacker B45. The pass is caught by A81, and while still in his end zone, throws another forward pass to eligible A40 incomplete. RULING: B can accept the penalty for a safety, or decline the penalty and take over 1st and 10 from the 5 yard line.

Sounds correct to me. The first pass ended when it was caught by eligible A81 (2-31-4). A second pass during the down is illegal (7-5-2e).

Enforcement as ajmc wrote.

[jack015]

Originally Posted by ChickenOfNC

Ok, off the top of my head:

4th and 10 from A's 5 yard line. A8 drops into the end zone and throws a forward pass that is tipped by blitzing linebacker B45. The pass is caught by A81, and while still in his end zone, throws another forward pass to eligible A40 incomplete. RULING: B can accept the penalty for a safety, or decline the penalty and take over 1st and 10 from the 5 yard line.

I agree with you that Reddings ruling is incorrect. When A threw an illegal forward pass from the EZ, the end of the run was in the EZ. Even if B declines, the end of the run is still in the EZ so the results of the play is a safety. (Rule 10.5.4) Look at it this way - if A throws an illegal forward pass from the 45 yard line AND for some reason B declines the foul, the end of the run and the results of the play are A's ball at the 45 and play the next down or it is B's ball if it was a 4th down play and the 45 yard line was short of the line to gain.

[ppaltice]

The guide is not correct. By Rule 8-5-2c leaves no choice but a safety. (I am guessing this will be fixed next year.)