Redding guide play?

[ChickenOfNC]

It's my understanding that when an illegal forward pass is declined, the ball is spotted at the spot of the illegal forward pass, which in this case would be the endzone. So, safety whether accepted or declined. Is this incorrect?

[Warrenkicker]

Your assessment sounds right to me. An illegal forward pass is a running play and not a loose-ball play.

[ajmc]

Originally Posted by ChickenOfNC

It's my understanding that when an illegal forward pass is declined, the ball is spotted at the spot of the illegal forward pass, which in this case would be the endzone. So, safety whether accepted or declined. Is this incorrect?

I think you nailed it. The succeeding spot would be the spot where the play ended, which in the case of an Illegal Forward Pass would be the spot of the foul, not the previous spot.

As you correctly observed, this play ended in the EZ, so there is no option available for "B" taking over (on downs) at the
5 yard line. The end result is a Safety whether the penalty is accepted or not.

[Da Official]

I guess this is another difference between Fed and NCAA. In NCAA rules, all penalties can be declined and an illegal pass does not result in the play being blown dead.

In NCAA rules, if a player is flagged for an illegal pass, the other team has a right to decline the penalty. In the scenario listed above, under NCAA rules, the defense can accept the penalty resulting in a safety or decline the penalty and take the ball on the loss of downs.

I do not know Fed rules....so maybe Redding applied the NCAA rules on mistake???

[mikesears]

Play is not blown dead unless the illegal forward pass is incomplete. No difference there between NF and NCAA rules.

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by mikesears

Play is not blown dead unless the illegal forward pass is incomplete. No difference there between NF and NCAA rules.

Ok great that is what I wanted to hear. So Rogers is once again correct!

[mikesears]

Originally Posted by Da Official

Ok great that is what I wanted to hear. So Rogers is once again correct!

Enforcement is where the difference is. NCAA, teams have 3 options. NF, teams only have 2.

NCAA: Accept and safety, decline and put ball at spot of foul (also safety), decline and put ball at previous spot.

NF: Accept and safety, decline and put ball at spot of foul (also safety)

[Da Official]

Originally Posted by mikesears

Enforcement is where the difference is. NCAA, teams have 3 options. NF, teams only have 2.

NCAA: Accept and safety, decline and put ball at spot of foul (also safety), decline and put ball at previous spot.

NF: Accept and safety, decline and put ball at spot of foul (also safety)

Mike, can you explain how NCAA rules provide for a 3rd option which includes declining the penalty and putting the ball at the spot of the foul?

When I look at Rule 7-3-2, I do not see the 3rd option. Where can I find this info?

Thanks!