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Old Sat Feb 21, 2015, 10:38pm
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So despite the rules allowing the player to protect themself in a culture much more sensitive then ever to concussions and collisions, .

Please stop including this nonsense about protecting oneself against injury, concussions, etc. in your posts. Contact, both legal and illegal, occurs in basketball on every play. If a player or his parents are that concerned about injuries of any type than they should stop playing contact sports. The practice of ducking or turning away from imminent contact on these plays is going to have no significant impact on the likelihood that any particular player suffers an injury.
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Old Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:23pm
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A lot of posters are talking about "leaning" backwards. It's not so much the leaning that I'm concerned with but the "falling back" which prevents displacement contact from being made. If a player is leaning back and contact is made it's pretty easy. If a player is falling back it typically causes the offensive player to fall on top of the defender, whether his momentum takes him there or he trips on the defender. Either way it's a block for me.
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Old Sun Feb 22, 2015, 12:29am
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If a player is falling back it typically causes the offensive player to fall on top of the defender, whether his momentum takes him there or he trips on the defender. Either way it's a block for me.
If the player had maintained his verticality, the offensive player wouldn't have fallen when the contact occurred? And if we're talking NFHS, even if the defender does fall straight back five feet before the contact is made, this is still not a blocking foul.
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Old Sun Feb 22, 2015, 08:04am
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Please stop including this nonsense about protecting oneself against injury, concussions, etc. in your posts. Contact, both legal and illegal, occurs in basketball on every play. If a player or his parents are that concerned about injuries of any type than they should stop playing contact sports. The practice of ducking or turning away from imminent contact on these plays is going to have no significant impact on the likelihood that any particular player suffers an injury.
If someone wants to discuss the impact on the play being dangerous the identifying dangers seems logical.

Not sure what what the impact of research has been in your areas but in our neck of the woods coaches must now have levels of training in first aid, concussion protocols, are required to coach techniques that reduce risk of injuryetc. They must also track and ensure that players have had sufficient practice time or recovery time before playing in games. Teaching how to make a controlled fall in all sport and situations, tackling technique in impact sports, etc is now part of coaching, officiating and sport culture.

Officials here are commenting that falling away prior to contact is making the play more dangerous, the rules are saying the player can protect themself. The logical conclusion is that the officials are more concerned with risk of injury to an offensive player then to a defender which makes no sense.
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