UNC/Duke (Video)

[Pantherdreams]

[QUOTE=johnny d;955501]Moving backwards and leaning backwards are two different things. QUOTE]

I don't think they are in this context.

If the player had established LGP but leaned forward outside their LGP to initate contact with a shooter we would argue he moved into the shooter.

If they player in LGP wishes to lean backward to protect themselves or to move away from the contact they should get the same application of "move".

It doesn't make sense to say" You can't move into the shooter, so no leaning forward because you are moving into them but also say, you can move backwards but no leaning away from them because leaning is not moving.

[so cal lurker]

[QUOTE=Pantherdreams;955569]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Moving backwards and leaning backwards are two different things. QUOTE]

I don't think they are in this context.

If the player had established LGP but leaned forward outside their LGP to initate contact with a shooter we would argue he moved into the shooter.

If they player in LGP wishes to lean backward to protect themselves or to move away from the contact they should get the same application of "move".

It doesn't make sense to say" You can't move into the shooter, so no leaning forward because you are moving into them but also say, you can move backwards but no leaning away from them because leaning is not moving.

I *suspect* that the reasoning is something along the lines of the following: Starting to fall back is faking a foul before it happens and makes refs look bad. So we're going to punish that faking by saying once you start faking it, you're no longer in LGP because you aren't guarding any more you're just trying to make me look bad.

[Pantherdreams]

[QUOTE=so cal lurker;955575]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I *suspect* that the reasoning is something along the lines of the following: Starting to fall back is faking a foul before it happens and makes refs look bad. So we're going to punish that faking by saying once you start faking it, you're no longer in LGP because you aren't guarding any more you're just trying to make me look bad.

I don't agree with that either, but if that is your rationale then call the T for faking being fouled. Problem is faking being fouled requires you to believe the only reason they would fall/lean is gain an advantage. You are basically risking T'ing a kid up for being a pu$$y or concussion prone. Any number of legal reasons to protect yourself. Which I assume is why they won't call the T because they can't confirm it, and don't want to deal with the fall out so they cal blocks (make up rules) in hopes the player will stop doing it.

[bob jenkins]

[QUOTE=Pantherdreams;955577]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I don't agree with that either, but if that is your rationale then call the T for faking being fouled.

Is that allowed in NCAAM? It's specifically NOT allowed in NCAAW. (It's different from HS)

[johnny d]

[QUOTE=Pantherdreams;955577]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

I don't agree with that either, but if that is your rationale then call the T for faking being fouled. Problem is faking being fouled requires you to believe the only reason they would fall/lean is gain an advantage. You are basically risking T'ing a kid up for being a pu$$y or concussion prone. Any number of legal reasons to protect yourself. Which I assume is why they won't call the T because they can't confirm it, and don't want to deal with the fall out so they cal blocks (make up rules) in hopes the player will stop doing it.

Like I said in one of my earlier posts, I really don't care what the reason or reasons are for calling it a particular way. The only thing that concerns me, especially at the NCAA level, is that I officiate these plays how every coordinator I have ever worked for expects me to call them, so that I continue to get games. Outside of that, it is just mental gymnastics that I don't have the time or energy to waste.