UNC/Duke (Video)

Originally Posted by SC Official

I'm merely pointing out what the rules say.

Which is fine, but I never claimed it was rules knowledge yet you were quick to point out it wasn't in the rules. Don't know why you need to constantly point this out when I'm clearly sharing what I've heard. Do I need to provide a disclaimer every time I post??

[just another ref]

I looked for travels that I would have called in real time and found three. One was already mentioned with Okafor. The others were 19:25 of the first half and 3:12 in overtime. I believe both were Winslow for Duke. If you're going to the basket, you really get some leeway.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Which is fine, but I never claimed it was rules knowledge yet you were quick to point out it wasn't in the rules.

I don't think anybody doubts your word about what you hear. But do you hear these guys expand on this any more than that?

"I know this is not absolutely correct by rule, but this is what we're expected to call/not call in that situation."

Or is this one of those things that everybody involved knows it's there, but nobody talks about it?

And do we hear any more specifics than that? (you don't have to name names here.) Since ___________ got to be supervisor of (whatever) we've been told to back off on calling travels. (or whatever)

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I looked for travels that I would have called in real time and found three. One was already mentioned with Okafor. The others were 19:25 of the first half and 3:12 in overtime. I believe both were Winslow for Duke. If you're going to the basket, you really get some leeway.

The NCAA rule may as well be written like the NBA rule at this point.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

About 9:25 first half. Close block/charge play called player control against UNC.

Then Bilas gave his whole "you can't move" spiel.

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Worth another look is the GT/BI call at 13:26 second half.

Originally Posted by SC Official

I would like to see the block called against UNC at either 4:39 or 4:29 in the second half. I had a hard time finding what the defender did wrong in real time.

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Foul call with 44 seconds left.

Both of these plays happen one after each other...one at 47 and one at 41...didn't know which one. You get both.

Originally Posted by Refneck

My bad. 1:44 remaining in OT.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Which is fine, but I never claimed it was rules knowledge yet you were quick to point out it wasn't in the rules. Don't know why you need to constantly point this out when I'm clearly sharing what I've heard. Do I need to provide a disclaimer every time I post??

I'm thinking it's possible.

[Camron Rust]

#1. Great charge call.

#2. Not GT...was contacted before it started coming down.

#3. Poor camera angle but it appears to be a block.

#4. Correct call...smacked him across the upper arm.

#5. Can't find anything the defender did wrong.

#6. Very obvious travel....if they're not going to call that, they should take it out of the book.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

#1. Great charge call.

#2. Not GT...was contacted before it started coming down.

#3. Poor camera angle but it appears to be a block.

#4. Correct call...smacked him across the upper arm.

#5. Can't find anything the defender did wrong.

#6. Very obvious travel....if they're not going to call that, they should take it out of the book.

Agree with you 100 % A bit surprised they had a whistle on #5. But what do I know.....At that point everyone gets a bit excited and may be blows a bit early.....

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Foul call with 44 seconds left.

What about it?

Originally Posted by just another ref

Or is this one of those things that everybody involved knows it's there, but nobody talks about it?

I think it's one of these.

Originally Posted by just another ref

And do we hear any more specifics than that? (you don't have to name names here.) Since ___________ got to be supervisor of (whatever) we've been told to back off on calling travels. (or whatever)

Nope, never heard to back off on traveling, but there's an understanding about how traveling is officiated too. Most of the stuff I hear from conference supervisors involves mechanics they don't want officials in their conference using and how loosely they want bench decorum/sportsmanship enforced.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by APG

...6 videos...

1) good with the PC

2) close, hard to tell from video. I missed one myself last week

3) looks like a PC

4) good block, should have been a held ball

5) nothing

6) have to look at it too many times to see where he gathered, so I'm good with a no-call

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

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#4. Correct call...smacked him across the upper arm.
...

I thought so at first, but last camera angle shows it was clean.

[jodibuck]

With 29 seconds remaining in 2nd half, is this an illegal screen (mugging) by Duke's Winslow on Jones' game tying drive?

[letemplay]

#6 I do not see a walk here. I did think it was when I saw it live (first view from TV) but not after watching the first replays last night (and even without Bilas' claim Okafor is the next Olajuwon) After his jump stop, both feet landing simultaneously, it appears to me he then pivots off his left foot, taking a step to basket and scoring. If anything was unusual about this play, possibly a carry a few dribbles before entering the paint, but can't see it clear enough.

[BryanV21]

Not saying this is right, but I was thinking...

1. When the defender falls back early it kind of acts like an undercut of the shooter, which can be dangerous.

2. Falling back early makes the torso contact minimal, and minimal contact often doesn't result in a foul call.

So, as a result, a blocking foul on the defender should be called.