Goaltending during a FT

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I agree, once the ball has touched the rim. But, it's possible to BI before that, and, in my mind, should carry the same penalty as GT on a FT.

Can you describe a play that is BI before the ball touches the rim? I am having a hard time thinking of anything.

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Can you describe a play that is BI before the ball touches the rim? I am having a hard time thinking of anything.

Sure. Ball is shot by Player A1. As ball is coming down but before it contacts the rim Player B1 grabs the rim and pulls down. B1 releases the rim and it rebounds into the oncoming ball, knocking the ball away.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Can you describe a play that is BI before the ball touches the rim? I am having a hard time thinking of anything.

Originally Posted by AremRed

Sure. Ball is shot by Player A1. As ball is coming down but before it contacts the rim Player B1 grabs the rim and pulls down. B1 releases the rim and it rebounds into the oncoming ball, knocking the ball away.

Another....A1 shoots. Just before the ball enters the cylinder, B1 reaches through the basket from below and touches the ball blocking the shot. BI.

And another...A1 shoots. The ball is in the cylinder above the rim but has not yet the the rim. B1 touches the ball. Once it enters the cylinder, it is no longer goaltending but BI.

So, in the clip above, the coach/player could have achieved their desired goal if they had waited until the ball entered the cylinder or blocked the FT by reaching through the basket from below. The basket would have been awarded and there would be no T since only GT is penalized with a T on a FT.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Can you describe a play that is BI before the ball touches the rim?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And another...A1 shoots. The ball is in the cylinder above the rim but has not yet the the rim. B1 touches the ball. Once it enters the cylinder, it is no longer goaltending but BI.

Says who? Certainly not the NFHS.

Goaltending during a FT

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Says who? Certainly not the NFHS.

Goaltending during a FT

Nfhs says during a free throw it is goaltending if it is touched Outside the cylinder....

The other portion of the definition says during a field goal try or tap....
By NFHS definitions, on a free throw, if you wait until the ball is in the cylinder and then touch it before it hits the rim it is BI. A gap in rule. They really should just say if you touch the ball before it hits the rim its a technical.....

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Nfhs says during a free throw it is goaltending if it is touched Outside the cylinder....

The other portion of the definition says during a field goal try or tap....
By NFHS definitions, on a free throw, if you wait until the ball is in the cylinder and then touch it before it hits the rim it is BI. A gap in rule. They really should just say if you touch the ball before it hits the rim its a technical.....

Never happened to me but if it does I'm calling goaltending and a T. Portion of ball likely outside cylinder.....or something like that. Also, could fall back on unsporting...

Bob, on the player jumping up and hitting the free throw through net etc I think you could also fall back on unsporting if it wasn't an accident...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So, in the clip above, the coach/player could have achieved their desired goal if they had waited until the ball entered the cylinder or blocked the FT by reaching through the basket from below. The basket would have been awarded and there would be no T since only GT is penalized with a T on a FT.

Exactly my point. I do get that it would be a pretty rare occurrence.

Originally Posted by BigCat

Never happened to me but if it does I'm calling goaltending and a T. Portion of ball likely outside cylinder.

You have the rule backwards. If any part is in the cylinder, the BI rules (not the GT rules) apply. I do understand that you could probably get away with it and / or fall back on the unsporting aspects

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Never happened to me but if it does I'm calling goaltending and a T. Portion of ball likely outside cylinder.....or something like that. Also, could fall back on unsporting...

Bob, on the player jumping up and hitting the free throw through net etc I think you could also fall back on unsporting if it wasn't an accident...

My advice is to call it by the book. You put yourself in danger when you decide to make a call because of your personal opinion or feelings about a situation.

Your supervisor or assignor can always defend you if the call adheres to the rules book. That person has more difficulty backing you if the call hinges upon your opinion of unsporting behavior or the "unfairness" of an action.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Says who? Certainly not the NFHS.

Sorry Camron Rust. I forgot that it was a free throw.