Teddy Valentine(edited)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Andy

Who looked like the aggressor?

Anyone that knows the game knows the coach said something. Who cares honestly who is aggressive or not. We get accused as officials of doing our job and someone says we had no business dealing with the situation the way we did. If TV had called technical foul, someone here would have accused him of having "rabbit ears" or that the T was not warranted.

Originally Posted by Andy

I also agree that if any of us here did something like that....our schedules would be severly reduced, if not eliminated.

And no, I have approached a coach before and was accused of getting in his face (even though I just turned to hear the coach and ask him a question), my schedule not only got better, I have gotten better games and worked similar places in the playoffs I have in the past. Some think I will go further. And the situation I mentioned was brought to the attention of the IHSA and with the assignor. The assignor made sure me and some guys this year who I have worked with in the playoffs "better games" from his point of view so that he can get us more recognition for further post season assignments. And my situation was not on national television or even local television.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If TV had called technical foul, someone here would have accused him of having "rabbit ears" or that the T was not warranted.

I believe the number of people making that accusation would have been amazingly small - and all of them would have been wrong. Coach went WAY over the line and did so very quickly ... and then stayed there for a very very long time.

Only reason TV didn't issue the T had to have been a "First T buys the beer" bet in the locker room.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Coach went WAY over the line and did so very quickly ... and then stayed there for a very very long time.

Yes, the coach went WAY over the line, but ONLY after TV jumped in his face and escalated the situation. Before that, his actions were suspect, but not egregious. If TV gives him the T then, it would look like TV baited him....and he probably did.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes, the coach went WAY over the line, but ONLY after TV jumped in his face and escalated the situation. Before that, his actions were suspect, but not egregious. If TV gives him the T then, it would look like TV baited him....and he probably did.

It was an out of bounds call. No reason to go crazy over an out of bounds call where the official is standing right there and telling you why he made the call. I get disagreeing with the call, but acting like it was a tragedy with 10 minutes left in the game. And he is losing. A technical could have made the lead a lot worse for his situation. And he was not getting the ball back after the T.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes, the coach went WAY over the line, but ONLY after TV jumped in his face and escalated the situation. Before that, his actions were suspect, but not egregious. If TV gives him the T then, it would look like TV baited him....and he probably did.

The coach went way over the line LONG before TV got in his face. You don't go apeshit over a 50/50 OOB call that you can't even see from where you are and get away with it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes, the coach went WAY over the line, but ONLY after TV jumped in his face and escalated the situation. Before that, his actions were suspect, but not egregious. If TV gives him the T then, it would look like TV baited him....and he probably did.

How did TV bait Cronin? Cronin initiated the confrontation. The most TV did was get close to Cronin.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Yes, the coach went WAY over the line, but ONLY after TV jumped in his face and escalated the situation. Before that, his actions were suspect, but not egregious. If TV gives him the T then, it would look like TV baited him....and he probably did.

It would not be the first time.

I remember the T he called against the Texas coach a few years ago and then stood there for like 30 seconds until the coach said enough to get the 2nd T.

[Mr. Ref]

Couple of things....

Teddy looks good after having lost the weight.

Teddy IMO is dead a$$ wrong in this situation. You don't charge at a coach no matter what he says. As others have said we are held to a higher standard.

I find it interesting that Teddy also threw out a fan earlier in the week. He went about three rows deep on the baseline and ejected a gentlemen. Long season might be doing a number on Teddy... or maybe he needs a snickers to calm down.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

It would not be the first time.

I remember the T he called against the Texas coach a few years ago and then stood there for like 30 seconds until the coach said enough to get the 2nd T.

I went to a men's D1 college camp in SoCal where an official made a call and went to report it. The HC went off on my partner. He got T #1 and waited at the table as the HC continued his rant. I thought maybe I should go help, but one of the clinicians close to me told me to stay in my spot and that my partner is a grown man and can/should handle this himself. The coach complained for about 20-30 seconds, got his second T and went off.

At the first stoppage of play the clinicians commended my partner for the job he did. Once a coach starts a tirade and is given a T, the message was, we don't run and let them continue. We let them have their say and we can determine if they get a second or not.

I wish this was drilled into HS officials, instead we are taught the complete opposite and T's have such a bad rep around them like it's the official's fault for handing one out.

[Jesse James]

Valentine's already admitted he was totally in the wrong to the AAC supervisor of officials.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

Valentine's already admitted he was totally in the wrong to the AAC supervisor of officials.

I don't think he was right, I just don't get the big hoopla when an official looses his cool.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by deecee

I went to a men's D1 college camp in SoCal where an official made a call and went to report it. The HC went off on my partner. He got T #1 and waited at the table as the HC continued his rant. I thought maybe I should go help, but one of the clinicians close to me told me to stay in my spot and that my partner is a grown man and can/should handle this himself. The coach complained for about 20-30 seconds, got his second T and went off.

At the first stoppage of play the clinicians commended my partner for the job he did. Once a coach starts a tirade and is given a T, the message was, we don't run and let them continue. We let them have their say and we can determine if they get a second or not.

I wish this was drilled into HS officials, instead we are taught the complete opposite and T's have such a bad rep around them like it's the official's fault for handing one out.

I could not disagree more with that. Turning professionally to attend to the penalty and the coach following you is not running.

Standing there and then whacking gives the appearance of baiting. Actually it is more than appearance it is baiting.

[Rich]

From Seth Davis:

After the game, Valentine called the AAC’s supervisor of officials and acknowledged that he should not have stepped toward Cronin in such an aggressive manner. “I was just totally wrong. I was out of place by walking into his space,” Valentine told me by phone on Sunday. “It was just one of those situations where I got caught up in the moment. I was out of bounds because I walked into his domain. That’s why I didn’t give him a technical because I knew I was wrong, and two wrongs don’t make a right. If it had been 15, 16 years ago, I never would have caught myself like that.”

[deecee]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I could not disagree more with that. Turning professionally to attend to the penalty and the coach following you is not running.

Standing there and then whacking gives the appearance of baiting. Actually it is more than appearance it is baiting.

Actually quite the opposite. It puts the onus on the coach, after receiving his T, to turn around and end the yapping instead of continuing down the path that he/she is on.

Turning your back in this case is just dismissive. The coach hasn't ended his tirade and the message sent is that I give my T and run away so someone else can deal with the rest. I have partner/s that can get the players ready for the T. Baiting is egging him on. Standing and listening is standing and listening.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If TV had called technical foul, someone here would have accused him of having "rabbit ears" or that the T was not warranted.

I think he could have called a T for the run the coach made down the sideline. That was akin to the run Kevin Ollie made at Mike Stuart a couple weeks ago. Even after Teddy went to the sideline and repeated the signal -- if he walks away and the coach continues it's an easy T.