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[just another ref]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Calls and non-calls at one end of the floor deserve the similar calls and non-calls at the other end of the floor when the plays are similar."

This logic is flawed, no matter who said it. Two plays can be very similar and still be on opposite sides of a line.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

This logic is flawed, no matter who said it. Two plays can be very similar and still be on opposite sides of a line.

When someone has a position to integrate a philosophy throughout the officiating landscape to bring continuity for all regions, I believe it is upon us to work on implementing this way of thinking.

If we as officials are closed minded to a different way of thinking, there can never be a continuity in officiating across the country; which perpetuates the stereotype that the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, SEC officiate differently. This is something that John Adams is trying his best to eliminate.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

When someone has a position to integrate a philosophy throughout the officiating landscape to bring continuity for all regions, I believe it is upon us to work on implementing this way of thinking.

If we as officials are closed minded to a different way of thinking, there can never be a continuity in officiating across the country; which perpetuates the stereotype that the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, SEC officiate differently. This is something that John Adams is trying his best to eliminate.

To properly implement the philosophy requires understanding the philosophy in the first place. It is not about being closed minded. It is simply about understanding what that philosophy really means. It has nothing to do with deliberately calling a foul wrong because one a few minutes before was called incorrectly.

And even if it isn't about one being wrong vs. right, there has to be a line somewhere and at some point, one play will have gone just a little bit too far.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

When someone has a position to integrate a philosophy throughout the officiating landscape to bring continuity for all regions, I believe it is upon us to work on implementing this way of thinking.

If we as officials are closed minded to a different way of thinking, there can never be a continuity in officiating across the country; which perpetuates the stereotype that the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, SEC officiate differently. This is something that John Adams is trying his best to eliminate.

You just said a lot but none of it does anything to dispute, or even to address what I said. The importance of consistency cannot be overstated. But to say that similar plays should result in similar calls is much too broad a statement to be useful, in my opinion.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

If we as officials are closed minded to a different way of thinking, there can never be a continuity in officiating across the country; which perpetuates the stereotype that the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12, SEC officiate differently. This is something that John Adams is trying his best to eliminate.

Anyone that knows much about college basketball knows that many of the officials work 2, 3, or even 4 of those conferences (less so with the PAC due to location). So the notion that the operate independent from one another is a fallacy.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Anyone that knows much about college basketball knows that many of the officials work 2, 3, or even 4 of those conferences (less so with the PAC due to location). So the notion that the operate independent from one another is a fallacy.

They operate independant of each other if they have different supervisors. These guys have to adjust to that night's supervisor.

[BatteryPowered]

My fingers are starting to itch just typing this defense...but Dickie V this morning on Mike and Mike blasted Boeheim. He said that simply cannot happen and that the game was not decided by the call...but was decided by the two Ts he received. Several people on the show afterwards were very critical of Boeheim and pointed out that he gave the official no choice by running onto the floor.

One even pointed out that if he would have simply stayed on his side of the sideline that he probably would have only gotten one T.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

My fingers are starting to itch just typing this defense...but Dickie V this morning on Mike and Mike blasted Boeheim. He said that simply cannot happen and that the game was not decided by the call...but was decided by the two Ts he received. Several people on the show afterwards were very critical of Boeheim and pointed out that he gave the official no choice by running onto the floor.

One even pointed out that if he would have simply stayed on his side of the sideline that he probably would have only gotten one T.

So V is pretty much just saying what Bilas told him at the time when Dickie was going down the 'blame the officials' road.

[letemplay]

Wonder what Coach JB's press conference would have been like if the player involved (CJ Fair) had reacted to that call in the manner in which the coach did. I'll bet JB wouldn't have tried to be such a comedian..probably having to answer questions about suspension and further discipline. For him it just seems to be a funny thing and we should all get a chuckle about it. Like someone else said...not a great example of leadership when the game is on the line.

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

End of game B/C - Block, defender had no established LGP prior to the upward motion of the shooter. The L makes this call in rotation, the T was backing out.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I would suggest that you not come out of your van until you have learned the Guarding and Screen rules.

Mark, what guarding rule did 7ironRef get wrong?

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They operate independant of each other if they have different supervisors. These guys have to adjust to that night's supervisor.

Exactly! I know for a fact that in some conferences the coaches rating has a HUGE affect on your pay tier and amount of games received. In other conferences, the coach's rating is thought of as used toilet paper.

IOW, if an official feels supported by his supervisor, he will go out on the court knowing he doesn't have to kow-tow to any coach. If the coaches have an influence, then the inner politics of pacifying coaches to save one's rating comes into the fold. This is usually done by officials unwilling to change their philosophy in order to save their pay scale.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

They operate independant of each other if they have different supervisors. These guys have to adjust to that night's supervisor.

Yes, they do, but there is still going to be a mixing and averaging effect of how they are called, even if there are some differences.

What differences there may be are not because of the officials not having an open mind and being isolated in any given conference...which is what the post above was trying to claim.

[Referee24.7]

They were both offensive fouls and unfortunately, we don't want to try and match "misses" that we have as stripes. . .

Greene's call just looked kinda off because he was on the move and didn't get fully done rotating yet, but the defender was legal and in the path. . .

And if was up to Vitale, Dakich, or all these other stuttering nincompoop analysts - there would be no foul-outs, no points of emphasis or concerns, and coaches could say or do whatever they want because its what's good for television and what they feel is for the game. . .

Just my barely $.02 cents worth.

[grunewar]

Tony Greene discusses ejecting Jim Boeheim, more Hoop Thoughts - College Basketball - Seth Davis - SI.com

Excerpt:

Suffice to say, the vibe at that moment was far different than it was a couple hours before, when Greene and Boeheim, who have known each other for many years, were yukking it up as they walked onto the court. So what happens when the two of them meet again? "We'll be fine," Greene promised. "I'm a professional. He's a professional. There are no grudges. It's just one of those things where the beat goes on. It's all a part of the job."