Video Request - Syracuse vs Duke (Video)

[7IronRef]

End of game B/C - Block, defender had no established LGP prior to the upward motion of the shooter. The L makes this call in rotation, the T was backing out.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

End of game B/C - Block, defender had no established LGP prior to the upward motion of the shooter. The L makes this call in rotation, the T was backing out.

I would suggest that you not come out of your van until you have learned the Guarding and Screen rules.

MTD, Sr.

[7IronRef]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I would suggest that you not come out of your van until you have learned the Guarding and Screen rules.

MTD, Sr.

You might want to be familiar with the POE

[Adam]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You might want to be familiar with the POE

I see LGP before he even holds the ball, let alone starting his upward motion. It's a bit grainy for me, though, to know for sure, so I'll defer to the guy standing 5 feet away.

That said, either way, it's close enough that the coach shouldn't have anything more than a quick question afterwards.

[walt]

Defender is there. Gathering and upward motion is not clear to me from any angle. Contact does not need to be center torso in any rule set. I stand by my earlier post, PC on both plays no matter old rule or new rule.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

End of game B/C - Block, defender had no established LGP prior to the upward motion of the shooter. The L makes this call in rotation, the T was backing out.

Originally Posted by Adam

I see LGP before he even holds the ball, let alone starting his upward motion. It's a bit grainy for me, though, to know for sure, so I'll defer to the guy standing 5 feet away.

Agree with Adam here. The defender obtained initial LGP before the dribble even ended....well before upward motion. That is what the new rule/POE requires. It makes no restriction on moving to maintain an already established LGP. If the defender continues to move AND remain in the opponents path the entire time, then they are legal. They've already met the requirement for upward motion.

If the opponent jumps in a direction not toward the defender, the defender is no longer in the path and it is too late to obtain a new position in the path.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You might want to be familiar with the POE

Everybody in this Forum will tell you that you do not want to get into a debate with me about Guarding and Screening (Block/Charge). As I said before, continue to study the rules.

MTD, Sr.

[grunewar]

This ESPN article also has some great isolation video of Boeheim's reaction from several different angles.....

Referees made right call at end of Syracuse Orange-Duke Blue Devils game, official says - ESPN

From the article: "The timing of this particular call, with the NCAA tournament right around the corner, will only add to the heightened scrutiny officials are facing."

(Someone can isolate the video - I gotta learn how to do that!)

[sj]

Originally Posted by grunewar

This ESPN article also has some great isolation video of Boeheim's reaction from several different angles.....

Referees made right call at end of Syracuse Orange-Duke Blue Devils game, official says - ESPN

From the article: "The timing of this particular call, with the NCAA tournament right around the corner, will only add to the heightened scrutiny officials are facing."

(Someone can isolate the video - I gotta learn how to do that!)

I'm not a college official so need to understand how this is different from the year before.

According to the article they added, "A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he has started his upward motion with the ball to attempt a field goal or pass. If the defensive player is not in legal guarding position by this time, it is a blocking foul."

Based on my limited understanding of what the college guys have been told about it how is this different than what they might have called the year before. Thanks.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by sj

I'm not a college official so need to understand how this is different from the year before.

According to the article they added, "A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he has started his upward motion with the ball to attempt a field goal or pass. If the defensive player is not in legal guarding position by this time, it is a blocking foul."

Based on my limited understanding of what the college guys have been told about it how is this different than what they might have called the year before. Thanks.

From the 2011-12 Rulebook:

Section 35. Guarding

Art. 4. To establish an initial legal guarding position on the player with the ball:

d. When the opponent with the ball is airborne, the guard shall have attained
legal guarding position before the opponent left the playing court.
(Exception: Rule 4-35.7)

From the 2014-15 Rulebook:

Section 17. Guarding

Art. 4. To establish an initial legal guarding position on the player with the ball:

d. When the opponent with the ball is airborne, the guard shall have attained
legal guarding position before the opponent begins his upward motion
with his hands/arms to shoot or pass. (Exception: Rule 4-17.7)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by sj

I'm not a college official so need to understand how this is different from the year before.

According to the article they added, "A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he has started his upward motion with the ball to attempt a field goal or pass. If the defensive player is not in legal guarding position by this time, it is a blocking foul."

Based on my limited understanding of what the college guys have been told about it how is this different than what they might have called the year before. Thanks.

In prior years the defender had until the offensive player became airborne (both feet having left the floor) to obtain a legal guarding position. The new rule shifts that point to when the offensive player begins his upward movement with his hands and arms. So in NCAA men's games defenders need to get there earlier this year.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

You might want to be familiar with the POE

Says the 7th grade algebra student discussing calculus with Hawking. Says Daniel-San on the first day of lessons to Miyaga.

You're out of your league and insulting the wrong guy here, sir.

[MD Longhorn]

I'm late to the party here, but I thought both calls clearly should have been PC.

Boeheim's explanation of the rule in the press conference was simply wrong. He starts out being right, but then adds in, incorrectly, that the defender can't move. He can. AFTER he achieves LGP, he can move as long as he doesn't lose LGP while doing so. The slight movement the defender does here after achieving LGP is not even close to enough to lose it... and LGP was established significantly before the upward motion began.

Originally Posted by 7IronRef

End of game B/C - Block, defender had no established LGP prior to the upward motion of the shooter. The L makes this call in rotation, the T was backing out.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I would suggest that you not come out of your van until you have learned the Guarding and Screen rules.

Mark, what guarding rule did 7ironRef get wrong?