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The white team is the highest ranked 1A (lowest division) girls team in the state, and was undefeated. The green team is a fairly high ranked 4A (highest division) school. Coupled with the jersey retirement ceremony for Skylar Diggins, both teams had a lot to prove.
An IHSAA commissioner said "The game officials assessed the proper penalty of ejection" but I doubt if they will comment on the management of the game up to that point. |
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If the unsporting act gets T'd, and it leads to a fight, then that person should be ejected as part of the fight.
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1. Flagrant tech on G2 for the punch. 2. Unsporting tech on W43 for the initial arm thing. 3. Penalize the coaches as needed. Last edited by AremRed; Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 12:15am. |
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4-19-14: An unsporting foul is a noncontact technical foul.......... If you want to call a technical I would say it would have to fall under 4-19-5c
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Agreed. Plus if she gets a T when she shoves Green #2 maybe Green #2 holds back on retaliating. At any rate, in the scenario presented in the OP both players are done for the night in my book. The shove led to the fight. For me you do something that leads to a fight, you’re done.
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I would most definetly give her a T even if there wasn't retaliation. I am surprised to hear others wouldn't. We don't give warnings for traveling. Why would we for unsporting acts? As for the penalties. Initially you sai you wouldn't give her a T if there wasn't a punch. Yet later she gets a T in the scenario in which there wasn't a punch. Seems to me either her actions are T worthy or not. She caused the fight. If she doesn't shove green no punches get thrown. Therefore my view is both are dq'ed. Last edited by jeremy341a; Wed Jan 01, 2014 at 12:54am. |
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In all honesty, by itself, I couldn't tell you whether I'd warn first on this or not. It depends on how the game had gone overall to that point. But, on borderline stuff, warnings are generally expected here, so I oblige. But if I was on this game, she'd be done.
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![]() If you were a teacher in a classroom...would you let a student shove another student and just give him/her a WARNING? Maybe...but one Technical can be considered a STERN WARNING...just like in the classroom. If your kid got shoved in the classroom...I don't think you would even mind an "EJECTION" from the classroom on the kid that did the shoving...would you? (I guess we could ask rockyroad how he would handle a classroom shove) Also...if a player taunted another player and that player punched the taunter...what would you do? I eject both.
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Agree. If the "push" were an isolated incident, then I probably would simply have sternly spoken to the "pusher", and, as an isolated incident, I would not have charged a technical foul (dead ball intentional) to the "pusher". However, once the "push" caused the "punch", that now becomes a "fight", and now the situation leaves me but one choice, two separate flagrant technical fouls charged, disqualification for both, and paperwork for whomever is the referee in my game. Would this be a double technical foul, or a false double technical foul, i.e., point of interruption, or free throw shooting?
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Bonus coverage.
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