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Both players are gone. White's actions are unsportsmanlike and directly led to the fight and all the other extracurriculars. If it was seen it can't be ignored. I'll bet you one thing. She will think twice before giving anyone the get off me nudge in the future.
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But in 4.18.2 the initial action, in and of itself, would warrant a technical foul. So it this causes a fight, both players are gone. In the OP the original action, in and of itself, was nothing, in my opinion. That makes a big difference.
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4-18-2 "An attempt to instigate a fight by committing an unsporting act that causes a person to retaliate by fighting."
I don't see any intentional instigation here, one could argue for unintentional instigation. |
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According to the dictionary, instigation means "to cause to come about". Did the action by W43 "cause to come about" the punch by G2? Yes. However, 4-18-2 specifies "An attempt to instigate a fight". Was the action by W43 "an attempt to instigate a fight"? No. It depends on how you define "instigation". See above. |
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Possibly even be a violation of 10-3-6c. An argument could be made that she was baiting her opponent. Last edited by jeremy341a; Sun Dec 29, 2013 at 08:51pm. |
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I'd much rather get rid of both eggs. Added note: "Useless" may be a bit strong. It's possible the rule is intended to only apply to a player attempting to bait his opponent into a fight.
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A1 gave a shove to B1 and B1 threw a punch. A1's act was unsporting IMO and therefore part of the fight.
I believe Judge Judy calls it coming to court with "unclean hands".
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This is the key. If you think that this was an unsporting act, then yes, kick 'em both out. That is debatable, but I can live with it. But we cannot simply say that whatever A did which provoked B and caused the fight must result in the ejection of both players. A is falling. B catches him, although somewhat roughly. A misinterprets the act and responds with a punch. The first act must be judged and a line must be drawn.
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