A bit of a mess at an Indiana HS game

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Some good it did, opposing coaches started arguing twice and almost came to blows. Game management did a terrible job keeping people off the court too and I didn't like a single thing the refs did.

Exactly how do you expect 1 or 2 people (game management) to keep so many people form coming onto the court? They probably don't have large budgets to hire a couple dozen security guards for every game.

Plus, what exactly would you have done that the officials didn't?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Exactly how do you expect 1 or 2 people (game management) to keep so many people from coming onto the court? They probably don't have large budgets to hire a couple dozen security guards for every game. Plus, what exactly would you have done that the officials didn't?

Agree. Considering that there was a knockout punch involved, I believe that the officials, and game management, did a pretty good job of keeping things under control. I would have liked to see how the fouls were reported, and penalized, especially if to see if the officials caught the White player pushing away the Green player, and if, and how, the assistant coaches, that came onto the floor to help restore order, were penalized.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Exactly how do you expect 1 or 2 people (game management) to keep so many people form coming onto the court? They probably don't have large budgets to hire a couple dozen security guards for every game.

Plus, what exactly would you have done that the officials didn't?

Camron, come on you know better. They probably would have hit their emergency, "easy" button and 20 security personnel would have popped out. I agree, 2 refs, 1 cop and maybe 2 or 3 administrators. Not much you can do.

I do hope the coaches each get at least 1 tech each. I would also, possibly, have some fans removed for coming on the court (but in all honesty if they were actually there to help, probably not). I would have a false double on the players involved.

1 T for white and a flagrant for green. I also wouldn't hover over the down players but I would work on making sure each team got to their bench and that nothing else escalates.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

1 T for white and a flagrant for green.

Wouldn't that be a flagrant on both? White committed an unsportsmanlike act that caused green to retaliate by fighting.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Wouldn't that be a flagrant on both? White committed an unsportsmanlike act that caused green to retaliate by fighting.

Not sure if I have anything on white. What she did does not justify the retaliation.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not sure if I have anything on white. What she did does not justify the retaliation.

Yeah that's nothing. Happens all the time in all sports. Green 2 took offense for some reason.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not sure if I have anything on white. What she did does not justify the retaliation.

I would certainly have nothing on it own, but when it causes retaliation, I don't feel I can ignore it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I would certainly have nothing on it own, but when it causes retaliation, I don't feel I can ignore it.

I don't think we can go by that. I say "Thank you," but all you hear is "____K you" and assume the worst and retaliate. It happens.

[OKREF]

Technical foul on white for the dead ball forearm, green is ejected. As for the coaches, I don't know what I would do there. Is them arguing between each a technical foul?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't think we can go by that. I say "Thank you," but all you hear is "____K you" and assume the worst and retaliate. It happens.

That is not what I said. If it is something unsportsmanlike, you can sometimes ignore it if it is smaller and deal with it in various ways but when it causes a fighting level retaliation, you can no longer ignore it. I'm not saying a benign action becomes unsportsmanlike because someone incorrectly reacts to it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not sure if I have anything on white. What she did does not justify the retaliation.

She appeared to instigate the situation. Either way I am probably dumping both players. It might be a HTBT situation to know if other things were going on or if something was said, but I have no problem with the white player being dumped too.

Peace

[jeremy341a]

Both players are gone. White's actions are unsportsmanlike and directly led to the fight and all the other extracurriculars. If it was seen it can't be ignored. I'll bet you one thing. She will think twice before giving anyone the get off me nudge in the future.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Both players are gone. White's actions are unsportsmanlike and directly led to the fight and all the other extracurriculars. If it was seen it can't be ignored. I'll bet you one thing. She will think twice before giving anyone the get off me nudge in the future.

Whites actions don't warrant an ejection. No punch and it wasn't flagrant. Would you jet her if the punch didn't happen, I would think no. Just because it lead to green throwing a punch isn't grounds for an ejection, IMO.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Plus, what exactly would you have done that the officials didn't?

1) two of the officials are wearing belts
2) C is leaning side to side during transition
3) neither L nor T close down when W43 pushes off with her arm, or when G2 begins to advance on her
4) neither L or T attempt to separate the players, instead they stand back and just put their arms in the air
5) L ejects the girl and keeps his arm in the air for 35 seconds while ignoring anything else he should be taking care of
6) C allows the woman in the neon green shirt to come on the floor and grab G2
7) none of the officials send the players to their benches
8) none of the officials notice two opposing coaches confronting each other until too late, twice
9) none of the coaches involved in the confrontation are issued technicals, hopefully they were teched later
10) dude in plaid green shirt is allowed to wander all over the court from 0:17 on (could be off-duty cop, def not game admin)
11) the coaches again confront each other, with an official standing right there not doing anything. Nothing productive can come from this.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Two of the officials are wearing belts.

Agree. If those two officials were not wearing belts, then the knockout punch, and its aftermath, would never have occurred. See what happens when officials try to hold their pants up. The horror.