State Championship Game mess up

[Moe]

Official calls a foul on the baseline on team A. 9th team foul and teams line up for 1 and 1 by team B. As the teams line up the other official who is admistering the free throw indicates two shots at the same time trail official is holding up the 1 and 1. I'm not sure if he thought the foul was in the act of shooting or that there was 10 fouls. Shot goes up and player from team B grabs an uncontested rebound and makes a basket. Whistle blows and player start to argue if it was two shots or 1 and 1. My question is what do you do now. The officials in this game got together and decided to take away the basket and go to an AP arrow which had team A getting the ball at the baseline. Was this the right proceedure.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Moe

... Whistle blows and player start to argue if it was two shots or 1 and 1...

This a casebook play so how to remedy the situation is not that difficult. But what I want to know is did the officials really argue or this just an exxageration?

[Moe]

Players argued not the officials.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Moe

Players argued not the officials.

Ooops, my bad.

My reading skills must be deteriorating.

[truerookie]

Yes, since B-1 was the only player to rebound the ball and have an uncontested layup. Going to the AP is correct.

[Ref in PA]

See 8.6.1 for the case play covering the situation.

[Adam]

1. Tell the player to shut up.
2. Go to the arrow.

[Nevadaref]

OFFICIALS PROVIDE ERRONEOUS INFORMATION
8.6.1 SITUATION: A1 is about to attempt the first of a one-and-one free-throw situation. The administering official steps in and erroneously informs players that two shots will be taken. A1's first attempt is unsuccessful. The missed shot is rebounded by: (a) B1, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; (b) A2, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; or (c) B2, with several players from both teams attempting to secure the rebound. The officials recognize their error at this point. RULING: In (a) and (b), the official's error clearly put one team at a disadvantage (players stood motionless and didn't attempt to rebound). Play should be whistled dead immediately and resumed using the alternating-possession procedure. In (c), both teams made an attempt to rebound despite the official's error and had an equal opportunity to gain possession of the rebound. Play should continue. (2-3)


But what if it isn't and the player who got the rebound scored first as in the OP? I don't see any provision in the rules for cancelling that goal.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

OFFICIALS PROVIDE ERRONEOUS INFORMATION
8.6.1 SITUATION: A1 is about to attempt the first of a one-and-one free-throw situation. The administering official steps in and erroneously informs players that two shots will be taken. A1's first attempt is unsuccessful. The missed shot is rebounded by: (a) B1, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; (b) A2, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; or (c) B2, with several players from both teams attempting to secure the rebound. The officials recognize their error at this point. RULING: In (a) and (b), the official's error clearly put one team at a disadvantage (players stood motionless and didn't attempt to rebound). Play should be whistled dead immediately and resumed using the alternating-possession procedure. In (c), both teams made an attempt to rebound despite the official's error and had an equal opportunity to gain possession of the rebound. Play should continue. (2-3)


But what if it isn't and the player who got the rebound scored first as in the OP? I don't see any provision in the rules for cancelling that goal.

Exactly, which is why the reference at the end of the ruling it reads (2-3).

Cancel the basket, go to the AP, they did. IMO, they handled it correctly.

[Nevadaref]

So, if the isn't stopped right away, but the throw-in is completed and the ball is advanced to the division line where a foul occurs and only then is it brought to the attention of the officials are you still going to invoke 2-3 and cancel the goal?

What exactly is your timeline here?

[BktBallRef]

Quite honestly, it could be very difficult to kill it before the same thing happens that happened above. If it can be killed before the throw-in begins, I've got no problem handling it that way. Most likely, someone's going to be raising hell before it even gets to that point.

[iref4him]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

OFFICIALS PROVIDE ERRONEOUS INFORMATION
8.6.1 SITUATION: A1 is about to attempt the first of a one-and-one free-throw situation. The administering official steps in and erroneously informs players that two shots will be taken. A1's first attempt is unsuccessful. The missed shot is rebounded by: (a) B1, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; (b) A2, with all other players motionless in anticipation of another throw; or (c) B2, with several players from both teams attempting to secure the rebound. The officials recognize their error at this point. RULING: In (a) and (b), the official's error clearly put one team at a disadvantage (players stood motionless and didn't attempt to rebound). Play should be whistled dead immediately and resumed using the alternating-possession procedure. In (c), both teams made an attempt to rebound despite the official's error and had an equal opportunity to gain possession of the rebound. Play should continue. (2-3)


But what if it isn't and the player who got the rebound scored first as in the OP? I don't see any provision in the rules for cancelling that goal.

Rule 2 Officials and Their Duties
Section 10 Correctable Errors


Article 1: Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in:

a. Failure to award a merited free throw.
b. Awarding an unmerited free throw.
c. Permitting a wrong player to attempt a free throw.
d. Attempting a free throw at the wrong basket.
e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

Article 2: In order to correct any of the officials' errors listed in Article 1, such error must be recognized by an official during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started.


Article 3: If in Article 1e the error is made while the clock is running and the ball dead, it must be recognized by an official before the second live ball.

Article 4: If the error is a free throw by the wrong player or at the wrong basket, or the awarding of an unmerited free throw, the free throw and the activity during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be canceled.

Article 5: Points scored, consumed time and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of an error, shall not be nullified. Errors because of free-throw attempts by the wrong player or at the wrong basket shall be corrected by applying 8-1 and 8-2.

THe basket should have counted and Team A gets the ball at the endline. No wrong player or basket or no awarding an unmerited free throw. Points count and the offiicals just take the heat.

[Indy_Ref]

Originally Posted by iref4him

Rule 2 Officials and Their Duties
Section 10 Correctable Errors


Article 1: Officials may correct an error if a rule is inadvertently set aside and results in:

a. Failure to award a merited free throw.
b. Awarding an unmerited free throw.
c. Permitting a wrong player to attempt a free throw.
d. Attempting a free throw at the wrong basket.
e. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.

Article 2: In order to correct any of the officials' errors listed in Article 1, such error must be recognized by an official during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started.


Article 3: If in Article 1e the error is made while the clock is running and the ball dead, it must be recognized by an official before the second live ball.

Article 4: If the error is a free throw by the wrong player or at the wrong basket, or the awarding of an unmerited free throw, the free throw and the activity during it, other than unsporting, flagrant, intentional or technical fouls, shall be canceled.

Article 5: Points scored, consumed time and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of an error, shall not be nullified. Errors because of free-throw attempts by the wrong player or at the wrong basket shall be corrected by applying 8-1 and 8-2.

THe basket should have counted and Team A gets the ball at the endline. No wrong player or basket or no awarding an unmerited free throw. Points count and the offiicals just take the heat.

DING...we have a winner!

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by iref4him

THe basket should have counted and Team A gets the ball at the endline. No wrong player or basket or no awarding an unmerited free throw. Points count and the offiicals just take the heat.

That's not what the Fed wants us to do. They want us to get the play right. Whether you kill it before or after the rebound before or after a shot, get it right. That's why the rule reference is 2-3.

Do what you will. But not me.

[Nevadaref]

I agree with Tony's statement about the FED wanting us to get this right, but I believe that in order to implement the course of action outlined in the casebook, the officials need to blow a whistle and kill the play BEFORE the goal is scored. I have a hard time cancelling this goal even under 2-3, if the whistle isn't sounded until after it goes through the basket.