Airborne Shooter purposely drops ball

[maven]

Generally a travel. Once the pivot is lifted, the ball must be released on a pass or a try. 4-44-3,4

By definition, a player cannot pass to himself. 4-31-1

He's airborne, but not a shooter unless he releases the ball for a try.

[Adam]

I'm not calling anything unless he's the first to touch it after he "passes" it.

[OKREF]

Travel. Even think there is a case play about this very thing.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Travel. Even think there is a case play about this very thing.

4.44.3B

I agree with Adam that I won't call anything unless s/he is the first to touch the ball.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

4.44.3B

I agree with Adam that I won't call anything unless s/he is the first to touch the ball.

I agree. Not an automatic whistle. He must touch the ball first.

[BillyMac]

The shooter can retrieve his or her own airball, if the referee considers it to be a shot attempt. The release ends team control. It is not a violation for that player to start another dribble at that point. When an airborne player keeps control of an attempted shot that is blocked and is unable to release the ball and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a held ball. If, in this situation, the shooter loses control of the ball because of the block, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues. If, in this situation, the defender simply touches the ball, and the airborne shooter returns to the floor holding the ball, it’s a traveling violation. When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and picks up the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and picks up the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

As stated by others... dropping the ball is not yet a travel. Dropping it and then being the first to touch it is travelling.

[potato]

Isn't there a rule that states a player cannot be the 1st to touch his own airball even if it is a shooting attempt? Was it NBA?

Originally Posted by maven

Generally a travel. Once the pivot is lifted, the ball must be released on a pass or a try. 4-44-3,4

By definition, a player cannot pass to himself. 4-31-1

He's airborne, but not a shooter unless he releases the ball for a try.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by potato

Isn't there a rule that states a player cannot be the 1st to touch his own airball even if it is a shooting attempt? Was it NBA?

It's the NBA, and only the NBA.

[just another ref]

Okay, we made this into a word game, which was not beneficial to the discussion. I think this is all about intent at the time of the release, just as it is when the player is fouled. A1 dropped the ball because he knew he couldn't return to the floor with it. It wasn't a try. It wasn't a fumble. And unless there is a teammate right next to him to pick it up, I can't call it a pass. By default, it is a dribble.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

... intent ... A1 dropped the ball because he knew he couldn't return to the floor with it.

Are you guessing, or did you ask him? Or, did you read his mind?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Okay, we made this into a word game, which was not beneficial to the discussion. I think this is all about intent at the time of the release, just as it is when the player is fouled. A1 dropped the ball because he knew he couldn't return to the floor with it. It wasn't a try. It wasn't a fumble. And unless there is a teammate right next to him to pick it up, I can't call it a pass. By default, it is a dribble.

I think it's something that can't yet be determined, as opposed to defaulting to "it must be a dribble".

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Okay, we made this into a word game, which was not beneficial to the discussion. I think this is all about intent at the time of the release, just as it is when the player is fouled. A1 dropped the ball because he knew he couldn't return to the floor with it. It wasn't a try. It wasn't a fumble. And unless there is a teammate right next to him to pick it up, I can't call it a pass. By default, it is a dribble.

By definition, though, it's not. At this moment in time, it's none of the above. Until we see who touches it next, it's status is not yet known, and thus this is not yet a violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

By definition, though, it's not. At this moment in time, it's none of the above. Until we see who touches it next, it's status is not yet known, and thus this is not yet a violation.

That is where you're wrong. It is one of the above whether you're able to tell or not. I can usually tell. If not, I wait for more information to be sure.