Block-Charges (video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

These plays were best explained to me like this......

If a guy drives his car 56 mph and the speed limit is 55, if my partner doesn't write him a ticket, why am I getting involved..... Misdemeanor

However - if he commits armed robbery and robs a bank, I am going to arrest him regardless what my partner thinks..... Felony

I beleive video one is a felony........

But are you going to arrest what may be the victim if you have a poor view of the crime just so you can arrest someone?

The T in this play had no chance to see through all of the bodies between him and the play. There were at least 3-4 directly in his line of sight to the play. The C probably had a much more open look, even if it was way out of their primary.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

But are you going to arrest what may be the victim if you have a poor view of the crime just so you can arrest someone?

The T in this play had no chance to see through all of the bodies between him and the play. There were at least 3-4 directly in his line of sight to the play. The C probably had a much more open look, even if it was way out of their primary.

In this case? Yes, unfortunately. After the game the crew can figure out why the play was FUBAR. During the game, someone has to do something for the reasons Jeff and I mentioned before. On a play like that it's going to be next to impossible to tell a coach, your observer or your supervisor that no one saw it or that is was incidental. Granted you don't want to screw it up but a no-call looks much worse.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

In this case? Yes, unfortunately. After the game the crew can figure out why the play was FUBAR. During the game, someone has to do something for the reasons Jeff and I mentioned before. On a play like that it's going to be next to impossible to tell a coach, your observer or your supervisor that no one saw it or that is was incidental. Granted you don't want to screw it up but a no-call looks much worse.

You know what, I just watched this video again. I think what got this all started bad was that the lead was not refereeing the defense and was left not knowing how the defender got there. He seemed to be tracking the dribbler in, even after the dribbler beat the initial defender. No need to be watching the dribbler. That is what set up this mess.

I just don't like guesses that penalize the wrong player...which is what the trail did. I don't think he had any look at the play at all and came up with a whistle and made up a call simply because he saw two bodies go down. I think there should have been call but I just think that guessing (and getting it wrong) is worse....even worse than a blarge.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You know what, I just watched this video again. I think what got this all started bad was that the lead was not refereeing the defense and was left not knowing how the defender got there. He seemed to be tracking the dribbler in, even after the dribbler beat the initial defender. No need to be watching the dribbler. That is what set up this mess.

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For a little defense of the L, he does have responsibility for the drive in NCAAW floor coverage. That said, I do agree with you that he had no idea that secondary defender was there because he turned his head rather than moving wider.

And the C actually has an amazing look at that first play as the waters parted right in front of her. Maybe if she had gotten the whistle they would have gotten that call correct?

[Multiple Sports]

Cam and RR -

I think both of your last posts bring up great points, however Cam we are just going to have to disagree.... If you are lead in a game where I am the T, I will have a whistle on that play if you don't every time. If the roles are reversed, then it will have to be a play on, unless you are comfortable with your look and then I can only hope you will come save the crew......

One of my closest friends is an observer for the NBA ( BNR no wise cracks neccessary ) and he says with a secondary defender both C & T should get looks so they can have a whistle on this play.

Cam maybe this will be play of the year on the Reftown site ......

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Cam and RR -

I think both of your last posts bring up great points, however Cam we are just going to have to disagree.... If you are lead in a game where I am the T, I will have a whistle on that play if you don't every time. If the roles are reversed, then it will have to be a play on, unless you are comfortable with your look and then I can only hope you will come save the crew......

One of my closest friends is an observer for the NBA ( BNR no wise cracks neccessary ) and he says with a secondary defender both C & T should get looks so they can have a whistle on this play.

Cam maybe this will be play of the year on the Reftown site ......

I do think there needed to be a whistle. However, I'd like to know what the C thought of it....or if the L was just slow to the whistle and the trail jumped him. I've have a few partners to do that to me every year. I think the T was the wrong one to come in and get this. He had the worst view of them all.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I do think there needed to be a whistle. However, I'd like to know what the C thought of it....or if the L was just slow to the whistle and the trail jumped him. I've have a few partners to do that to me every year. I think the T was the wrong one to come in and get this. He had to worst view of them all.

He was not the ideal official for sure, but it needed to be called. And if that is rare I am OK with the call.

Peace

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I do think there needed to be a whistle. However, I'd like to know what the C thought of it....or if the L was just slow to the whistle and the trail jumped him. I've have a few partners to do that to me every year. I think the T was the wrong one to come in and get this. He had to worst view of them all.

Cam -

Yes we all have those plays where we are thinking WTH, because the whistle is coming from the wrong person, however I thought in this play his cadence was, "primary nothing, Holy Shoot we need a whistle" and then he blew.

I can accept that cadence from my trail......

And just anothet point regarding the C, how mant times have you seen an easy play, the you assume the primary will get and then they don't. And by the time you want to react it is too late......maybe that is what happened to C...just a thought

[Raymond]

At the college level there are, in my experiences, far fewer crashes than at the HS level. It is an expectation to have a whistle, in my experiences, on crashes at the college level. The times we don't plenty of times I've heard from a HC, "you gotta call something on that play".

I think coaches at the college don't like seeing players on the floor as evidenced by institution of the RA. I don't think they want games with a bunch of "play-ons".